Guest Oren Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 Palestinians Slam Israel U.N. Resolution EDITH M. LEDERER Associated Press UNITED NATIONS - The Palestinians have asked that a U.N. committee reject a resolution calling for the protection of Israeli children victimized by Palestinian terrorism, saying the document is political and insensitive. "This is an anti-Palestinian resolution much more than it is a pro-Israeli children resolution," the Palestinian U.N. observer Nasser Al-Kidwa said Monday. Israel circulated the draft last week - the first resolution it has introduced since 1976. Ariel Milo, the spokesman for Israel's U.N. Mission, said the vote on the draft will reveal whether the General Assembly "thinks that the lives of Israeli children are less important than those of Palestinian children." The Israeli draft closely mirrors a resolution adopted by the General Assembly last year by a large majority on the plight of Palestinian children affected by more than three years of conflict in the region. Egypt submitted a similar draft two weeks ago for the current session of the General Assembly, and it was approved by the committee dealing with social and humanitarian issues. The same committee was expected to take up the Israeli draft on Wednesday or Thursday. Al-Kidwa told reporters the Palestinians "were not amused" at having the format of their resolution copied. "This reflects a complete lack of sensitivity with regard to the suffering of the Palestinian children," he said, adding that Israel had added "absolutely unacceptable political substance in each paragraph." Al-Kidwa said the case of Palestinian children was unique because they are "deprived of every single right in the Convention on the Rights of the Child - from statehood and nationality up to the physical safety. It is not the case of any other child in the world." Al-Kidwa told reporters that European nations have already said they will abstain. The United States opposed the draft resolution on Palestinian children, but a U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Monday "we have not yet taken a position" on the Israeli draft. For years, Israel has refused to take seriously the numerous resolutions Arab states sponsor annually, which almost always condemn Israel's actions against the Palestinians while making little, if any, mention of Palestinian attacks against Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ bigjoey Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 what is wrong with a resolution to protect both the israeli and the palestinian children? unfortunately, both are being scared mentally if not physically because both sides lack the leadership to go foward. the new "virtual" peace proposal being circulated seems to have much merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oren Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 >what is wrong with a resolution to protect both the israeli >and the palestinian children? nothing would be wrong with it. the arabs refused to include israeli children in their resolution. so, the israelis at the UN have brought forth one that does mention them. the arabs and their european apologists, typically, are fighting that resolution. why? the answer is simple: they think israeli children don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Love Bubble Butt Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 Are you saying that the Israeli version includes provisions for Palestinian children to the same degree as Israeli children? If so, what exactly does the resolution state that will provide protection for these children? Is there a link to the text of this draft resolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Oren Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 no i'm not saying that at all. if you had read the AP article i posted, you'd see that the arabs previously pushed through YET ANOTHER resolution that only mentions palestinian suffering and blames the Israelis for everything. as usual, that resolution makes no mention of palestinian terrorism or its effects on children--Israeli and/or palestinian. the proposed Israeli resolution is an attempt to see if the UN values the lives of Israeli children as well as palestinian children (the subject of a resolution ALREADY passed) or if it finds them worthless and expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest charbroil Posted November 27, 2003 Share Posted November 27, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! November 26, 2003 Israel Withdraws Draft Resolution on Kids By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 10:07 p.m. ET UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- Israel's U.N. ambassador withdrew a draft resolution Wednesday that called for the protection of Israeli children from terrorism, angered by Egyptian-led effort to modify the proposal. The Israeli measure also sought a general condemnation of terrorism and demanded that the Palestinian Authority join in fighting the growing scourge. At a news conference after withdrawing the draft from a General Assembly committee, Israeli Ambassador Dan Gillerman he called it ``a shameful day for the United Nations, a sad day for humanity.'' The resolution was the first that Israel has introduced since 1976. Gillerman called it called it part of a new, ``pro-active'' approach by his government to the many resolutions supporting the Palestinians that the General Assembly passes each year. Gillerman said Israel's proposal was meant to mirror a resolution the committee approved earlier this month demanding that Israel ensure the protection of Palestinian children. That measure passed by a vote of 88-4, with 58 abstentions. Amendments supported by Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Senegal, South Africa and others to the Israeli draft would have replaced references to ``Israeli children'' with the words ``children in the Middle East region.'' They also would have added passages condemning ``foreign occupation, violations of international law,'' ``military assaults, excessive use of force'' and other objections that Palestinians often raise to Israeli conduct in the occupied territories. Nasser Al-Kidwa, the Palestinian U.N. observer, said he thought it was a mistake for Israel to have introduced the draft resolution and ``an attempt to abuse the title 'children' for political goals.'' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trilingual Posted November 27, 2003 Share Posted November 27, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! Not, of course, that the Palestinians and their supporters don't abuse the U.N. system at every turn to try to beat up on Israel. . . And as for Palestinian children being stateless, that's not Israel's fault. It's the fault of the nations in which they are born, which DENY them citizenship as a birthright and deliberately keep them stateless so they can be used as never-ending pawns in the Arab campaign against Israel (and to divert the attention of the Arab "street" from the corruption and oppression of their own totalitarian governments). Meanwhile, as stateless persons, they can't work, can't travel, can't live where they wish in the countries in which they were born, can't resettle in third countries without enormous difficulty, etc. A sad and ugly region, the Middle East. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bedstuy Posted November 27, 2003 Share Posted November 27, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! Meanwhile total U.S. aid to Israel is approximately one-third of the American foreign-aid budget, even though Israel comprises just .001 percent of the world's population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! Would this be a good time to bring up the treatment of gays by the PA? Seems that's one that always gets swept under the rug. Dan Dare http://male4malescorts.com/reviews/dandarela.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest laverite Posted December 1, 2003 Share Posted December 1, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! Would this be a good time to bring up the treatment of gays by the orthodox jews? Seems that's one that always gets swept under the rug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug69 Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! >Would this be a good time to bring up the treatment of gays >by the orthodox jews? Seems that's one that always gets >swept under the rug. There are lots of vibrant gay bars in Tel Aviv; quite public gay activists and gay groups in Jerusalem; and a nationwide gay rights movement in Isreal. Where are the gay bars in Ramallah? What gay groups are active in Damascus and Alexandria and Tehran? In those places, the only openly gay people are dead or, if they're lucky, in prison. To attempt even to suggest some similarity between the treatment of gay people in Israel as opposed to anywhere else in the Arab/Muslim requires a miraculous degree of delusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ Lucky Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Beers for the UN! Israeli intelligence is using gay Palestinians as snitches on the threat of outing them. Not very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bedstuy Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! Where are the gay bars in Ramallah? It's kind of hard, from what I've heard, to operate gay bars in bombed out buildings, not that this has much to do with the original topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bedstuy Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Beers for the UN! Hardly surprising if one remembers the Lavon Affair, not that many Israelis know about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug69 Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! >Where are the gay bars in Ramallah? > >It's kind of hard, from what I've heard, to operate gay bars >in bombed out buildings, not that this has much to do with the >original topic. Oh, excellent point - so where were all the gay bars in Ramallah before the start of this latest infitada? Do you actually think there would be thriving gay bars in Palestine if it weren't for the fact that there is this Israeli-Palestinean conflict? What other Arab/Muslim country do you see that leads you to make such an inane statement? Syria? Lebanon? Jordan? Iran? Saudi Arabia? Tell me where gay people thrive in the Arab/Muslim world even half as much as they do in Israel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bedstuy Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! I don't particularly judge every foreign country and US policy with same based on the amount of gay bars evident, kind of how some gay posters on this board (I must assume) don't base their party affiliation based on gay policies of same party. That doesn't mean that I don't wish that their societies would change in the future. Societies advance at different paces. The fact remains that it is impossible to judge the PA on social issues when they've been dealing with occupation by foreign forces for close to 40 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug69 Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! >I don't particularly judge every foreign country and US >policy with same based on the amount of gay bars evident . . . Do you judge them based upon whether they kill and imprison people for being gay? Or is that no big deal to you and no impediment to your supporting that government and depicting them in a positive light? >That doesn't mean that I don't wish that their societies would >change in the future. Societies advance at different paces. My, look at how casual and dismissive you are over Governments that kill and imprison gay people. "Oh, it'd be nice if they didn't do that, but I'm sure some day they will change. Yawn." Do you think you'd be as quick to excuse this sort of violent oppression against gay people if it were you being killed and oppressed in that fashion, rather than gay Muslims in the Middle East? >The fact remains that it is impossible to judge the PA on >social issues when they've been dealing with occupation by >foreign forces for close to 40 years. Right. It's all Israel's fault. The fact that Palestineans oppress their gay citizens to the point of imprisonment and death is all the fault of Israel. Do you care so little about gay Palestineans and gay Arabs generally that you're willing to sacrifice them this way in order to adavnce your leftist agenda? These governments kill and imprison people for being gay. How can you possibly support such governments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bedstuy Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! Because I'm Arab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug69 Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! >Because I'm Arab Even more disgusting then that you ignore the plight of your fellow gay Arabs and support the governments that deny them even 1/100 of the rights you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bedstuy Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! OK... I'm outie; gotta go set off some bombs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorky Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! lol.........now thats funny!!! oh by the way we "sane" jews have a sense of humor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick_nyc Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! You also keep your distance from the Palestinians and their bombs. Good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! >Would this be a good time to bring up the treatment of gays >by the orthodox jews? Seems that's one that always gets >swept under the rug. > Ever hear of a very highly publicized documentary that was released in 2002 called "Trembling Before G-d?" It was about this very subject, Gay Orthodox Jews. While estranged from their families, not one of them felt that their lives were imperiled unlike gays in the PA. Dan Dare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dan Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! >I don't particularly judge every foreign country and US >policy with same based on the amount of gay bars evident, kind >of how some gay posters on this board (I must assume) don't >base their party affiliation based on gay policies of same >party. > >That doesn't mean that I don't wish that their societies would >change in the future. Societies advance at different paces. > > >The fact remains that it is impossible to judge the PA on >social issues when they've been dealing with occupation by >foreign forces for close to 40 years. Does this include the time that they were part of Jordan? I forget, was that an occupation as well? Dan Dare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDCeBOY Posted December 2, 2003 Share Posted December 2, 2003 RE: Three Cheers for the UN! >Where are the gay bars in Ramallah? > >It's kind of hard, from what I've heard, to operate gay bars >in bombed out buildings, not that this has much to do with the >original topic. then where are those in riyadh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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