Guest vinotinto Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist >and you think none of the maids fell >for the dashing, rich young men of the house? ... and you think none of those Warsaw ghetto girls fell for the dashing, strong young German men guarding them at Aushewitz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDCeBOY Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist you analogy, in addition to being highly offensive, is faulty. i don't even think lefty is saying that the maid was treated the same as an Auschwitz (please learn to spell... i'm sure they have a spelling class at your night school international paralegal institute). even so, sex with guards at a KZ-Lager did happen. sometimes, it was unquestionably rape. sometimes, it wasn't though. some girls used the only thing they had left--their vaginas--to help them stay alive a bit longer. hey, if it meant the possibility of a piece of mouldy bread or maybe even an extra sliver of potato peel in the soup, why not? because of physical conditions and malnourishment, menstruation had ceased soon after arriving at the camp, so there was no fear of bearing the bastard of the beast. if it could increase the odds of surviving, several female inmates very likely did make themselves available. the situation is quite different from that which produced strom's daughter, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDCeBOY Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist >you analogy, *your Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vinotinto Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist >you analogy, in addition to being >highly offensive, is faulty. Why? Moral relativismis so passe! >the situation is quite different from >that which produced strom's daughter, though. How so? You would not be making assumptions or presumptions now, would you, Oren? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDCeBOY Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist being held in a concentration camp is different from being someone's maid. you're the only one here claiming otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyXTC Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist the situation is quite different from >that which produced strom's daughter, though. > Somewhat different, but not as much as you might think. Both situations involve significant power on the part of the males: in the case of the KZ guard, unquestionably the power of life and death. In the case of the Southern master's son, the power, at the least, to make the maid's life a living hell, and at the most, to cause her to lose her livelihood, and possible that of her relatives working for the white family. In those days, no safety net like welfare existed, so such consequences would have been dire. With the "go along to get along" mentality that was inculcated into the psyche of poor blacks of that era, had the maid objected, she would have been seen as being "uppity" and the repercussions could have spread to any other family member working in the household. Saying "no" would have been both risky and unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely, given the way things worked in those times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vinotinto Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist >being held in a concentration camp is >different from being someone's maid. .. and what other choices were available to the Black maid in 1920s Dixie, would you care to enlighten us with more of your hysterical revisionism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick_nyc Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist One huge difference is that the maid in 1920's Dixie did not have to stay in Dixie. She could, as many of the other blacks in the South, move to the North. I don't think the inmates of the concentration camps had that possibility, do you? Where do you think the Harlem Renaissance came from? or do you acknowledge that there was such a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vinotinto Posted December 20, 2003 Share Posted December 20, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist >One huge difference is that the maid in 1920's Dixie did not >have to stay in Dixie. She could, as many of the other blacks >in the South, move to the North. I don't think the inmates of >the concentration camps had that possibility, do you? Well if you believe in evolution, then I suppose the more intelligent jews immigrated to the Americas (North, south and Central) before the shit hit the fan so the ones who were just into S&M, n'est ce pas? It is very revealing, but not at all surprising, how the jewish neo-cons see the world that you folks would defend this Southern racist and rapist today. In doing so, you shame the charred remains of your ancestors in Eastern Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDCeBOY Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist i cannot believe you would equate the two. where were the guards? the dogs? the guns? the electrified fences? the beatings? the shootings? the roundups? the crematoria? the gas chambers? the constant fear of death? the malnourishment? the barracks? where, bucky??? it sure as fuck wasn't south carolina in the 1920s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyXTC Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist >i cannot believe you would equate the >two. where were the guards? the dogs? the guns? the >electrified fences? the beatings? the shootings? the roundups? >the crematoria? the gas chambers? the constant fear of death? >the malnourishment? the barracks? where, bucky??? it sure as >fuck wasn't south carolina in the 1920s! Go back and read it again, Ethan. I said the first example involved life and death, the second, mainly employment. I noted that they were not the same, but bore SOME equivalence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vinotinto Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist >i cannot believe you would equate the >two. where were the guards? the dogs? the guns? the >electrified fences? the beatings? the shootings? the roundups? >the crematoria? the gas chambers? the constant fear of death? >the malnourishment? the barracks? where, bucky??? it sure as >fuck wasn't south carolina in the 1920s! Well, you need to go watch "Eyes on the Prize" if you don't think there were guards, dogs, guns, beatings, shootings, roundups, the constant fear of death, malnourishment and barracks. As for crematoria, have you ever heard of lynching? Oren, would you have liked to be the Black maid in 1920s Dixie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDCeBOY Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist you are actually trying to claim that this maid was held captive? that she was brutalised? that electrified fences kept her from the outside world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vinotinto Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist Are you denying rape and lynching in 1920s Dixie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giovoni Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 What error was he making? That as a racist he more appropriately belonged in the republican party or that his racist views were in error and he subsequently joined the GOP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick_nyc Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist First of all, I am not Jewish. Second of all, if I were in a very uncomfortable situation with no way out except to leave, I would leave. If you were in a situation where someone waited for you and smacked you up side the head every day, what are your alternatives. If you keep on going back, you get smacked up side the head. If you leave, the smack stops. Which would you do. Most would leave unless they are into sadism. You really do get stupid in your posts sometimes. You will twist anything to get your antisemitic drivel into the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick_nyc Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist No one is denying rape and lynching. It is just a big stretch even for your flexible warped mind to go from being raped to being supported for over 60 years when all he had to do was deny your existence and forget the situation. If rape and lynching was on the menu and he wanted to, then you can be sure that someone who wanted to get in his good graces would have been glad to take care of the situation. Since no one did, then your rape would seem to be out of the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDCeBOY Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist >Are you denying rape and lynching in 1920s Dixie? yes, i am denying the rape or lynching of this particular maid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckyXTC Posted December 21, 2003 Share Posted December 21, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist >No one is denying rape and lynching. It is just a big >stretch even for your flexible warped mind to go from being >raped to being supported for over 60 years when all he had to >do was deny your existence and forget the situation. How quickly you forget Watergate and "hush money". The "support" was paid as part of an agreement that required silence. Denying her existence no longer works when there's the little matter of DNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick_nyc Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist Why pay hush money when all you have to do in the South is sorta nod in a direction to your "good old boys" and the broad disappears for good. Saves a million or so dollars by just nodding your head. No need for hush money at all. I mean you people are the ones who talk about lynching etc. Why bother?? You've accused him of everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug69 Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist >How quickly you forget Watergate and "hush money". The >"support" was paid as part of an agreement that required >silence. This might be a valid point if all he did was pay her money. But he went out of his way to ensure that he was involved in her life. He even had her make frequent visits to the Governor's Mansion when he was governor, visited her in college, etc. That's how it became such an open secret that he had an illegitmate daughter with a black woman. So if all he wanted to do was pay hush money and he wasn't genuinely interested in the well-being of his daughter, why did he go far beyond merely slipping her some cash, and instead ensured he had a role in her life, even at great risk to his political career? Even though he died with an ® at the end of his name, you might want to consider that he wasn't the equivalent of Satan. I know that's a bizarre concept for you, but you should at least acknowledge facts that negate your vicious accusations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDCeBOY Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist denying rape or lynching in THIS PARTICULAR case does NOT equate to denying that either ever happened in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylorky Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist >with no way out except to leave, I would leave. If you were >in a situation where someone waited for you and smacked you up >side the head every day, what are your alternatives. If you >keep on going back, you get smacked up side the head. If you >leave, the smack stops. Which would you do. Most would leave >unless they are into sadism. > either you have never heard of spouse abuse syndrome,or u discount the reality ot that condition.either way your post shows an insensitivity to the very real victims. it's not fair to suppose others will react to situtions the same as you would,or the same as you think you would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick_nyc Posted December 23, 2003 Share Posted December 23, 2003 RE: Strom Thurmond Rapist I did say most. That leaves it up to the person. Also if it came down to being killed or leave, do you think it would be open to discussion which would be picked??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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