Yipee, now that "we've" elected you...

...can you tell us, now, how you're going to improve the state? Also, you said you would also go into the full details of the increasing allegations of your having sexually assaulted women, which I can't wait to hear. Finally, does Pete Wilson only keep his hand up your ass when you've got a microphone in front of you?

Recall Arnold campaign, anyone?

Statement by Governor Dean on the California Recall

"Today's recall election in California was not about Gray Davis or Arnold Schwarzenegger. This recall was about the frustration so many people are feeling about the way things are going. All across America, George Bush's massive tax cuts for the wealthy are undermining state budgets, causing cutbacks in services and increases in local property taxes. Were recalls held in every state, it's quite possible that 50 governors would find themselves paying the price for one president's ruinous national economic policies. Tonight the voters in California directed their frustration with the country's direction on their incumbent governor. Come next November, that anger might be directed at a different incumbent...in the White House."

Maybe we should wait for the full results...

Kevin Shelly's got a good little website set up for us...

http://vote2003.ss.ca.gov/Returns/summary.html

The gap is less then 10%, and from what I can tell LA county has no results in other then the mail-ins...

But Dean's also got a good point. Too bad we can't recall Shrub. The house, despite good reason, doesn't seem to even be considering an impeachment in spite of the fact that this president has been shown to have lied as he performed one of the only duties required of him by the constitution he swore to uphold and protect, lied to the American people *and* both houses of congress, and not a little lie about something like 'that woman, Ms. Lewinski', but about the reasons to GO TO WAR.

RE: Maybe we should wait for the full results...

They use quite a few of those electronic Diebold voting machines in California. There is no paper record of how anyone voted, should they want to recount, and it's been proven that these machines are very easily hacked and manipulated. We need to get HR 2239 passed in Congress. That's the Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act, which will make it necessary to have a voter-verifiable paper trail. Check this out: http://www.verifiedvoting.org/

RE: Maybe we should wait for the full results...

P.S. Joseph Stalin once said "Those that cast the votes decide nothing, those that count the votes decide everything"...

RE: Yipee, now that

Clearly, this recall mess may be one of those situations where the winner will ultimately be the loser. Arnold, with no political experience at all, and a fully democratic state legislature, is not likely to have an easy time of things. And considering the fact that the energy debacle as well as the fiscal pressure all state governments are experiencing due to the economic mismanagement of the federal government by the Republicans and Bush have created an almost insurmountable task for even the most seasoned of politicians, I suspect the "Arnold" enthusiasm of some will evaporate very quickly. Arnold has promised to reverse the odious car tax, but where does he think he'll come up with the money to deal with the shortfall? If he follows the Bush/Republican plan, it will only provide more pain and suffering for Californians. They were pissed off at Gray Davis, and took their revenge on him by electing Arnold. Soon, I suspect they'll learn the old Sicilian lesson, "Revenge is a dish best served cold".

RE: Statement by Governor Dean on the California Recall

AMEN! Well said, and I have to agree with your points. No matter what Bush does the rest of his term, his economic policies of providing tax cuts for the super wealthy and the massive layoffs of the middle and lower income Americans will cost him next year's election.

BTW: what is so damned bad about Arnie winning the California gubernatorial election? How could he possibly make California more of a travesty than it currently is? California Dreamin' is a reflection of the current National Nightmare.

RE: Yipee, now that

Have you never heard the old saying about people who live in glass houses? You dare to criticize Arnie's sexual peccodillos, while you cruise the streets of LA looking for hustlers and visit online sites looking for young hooker boys? Really, man, go look in the mirror before you feel holy enough and morally superior enough to throw stones at others!

This is a point others have made often, but once again it goes right over the head of you and those who espouse your morally superior attitude. What a joke, unfortunately it is more sad than funny.

RE: Yipee, now that

I took a look at the county by county results and what I found strange is that with the exception off about 6 counties and San Francisco all the other counties are voting about 70-30 to eliminate Davis. It seems as though California is in reality two states, not one. The majority of the counties are vehemently against Davis. Davis is ahead in Marin, Santa Cruz, Napa, Sonoma and San Francisco and a couple of others. He is about even in Los Angeles and the rest are, as I said, 70-30 against Davis.

He is trying to blame it all on the Bushites, but the problem was that he just did not understand his problems. I was surprised that after the recall "campaign" took off and it was obvious that the issue was going to cause an election, he still went ahead and signed big increases in spending on items that the people were against and also signed for more increases in fees and taxes. It seems as though he was just telling the state to sit back and turn everything over to him and that he knew better than they did what they wanted and needed. I think this attitude is what really turned the people against him. He never really tried to understand what they wanted and what they expected from their government. It certainly didn't seem to be what he was doing.

RE: Yipee, now that

If you took a look at the CNN site, he has had a plan for the first 100 days there for several days now. Maybe you should take a look before you post that he said nothing about what he was going to do.

Don't get it...

Yes, I suppose the law does see them as about equal crimes, but how you can morally compare consensual sex even in exchange for money to sexual harassment and assault is something I just don't understand.

Seen it... feh...

He's going to try and figure out the things he damn well should have had passionate plans to fix before he got in the damn race, plus do whatever Wilson and big business happen to want (which isn't going to fix anybody's problem, unless you're an executive of a business in/doing business with the state who needs more $$$). Pretty sure he's also going to do his best to forget his pledge to fully come clean on the allegations after the election too.

As I said, yippee!

RE: Yipee, now that

>...can you tell us, now, how you're going to improve

>the state? Also, you said you would also go into the full

>details of the increasing allegations of your having sexually

>assaulted women, which I can't wait to hear. Finally, does

>Pete Wilson only keep his hand up your ass when you've got a

>microphone in front of you?

>

>

>Recall Arnold campaign, anyone?

schwarzenegger.................governor of california...........ROTFLMFAO............makes being a little ol jewish hillbilly in kentucky feel not so bad about,......well........ living in kentucky.

california voters = :+ :+ and:+

RE: Yipee, now that

>Have you never heard the old saying about people who live in

>glass houses? You dare to criticize Arnie's sexual

>peccodillos, while you cruise the streets of LA looking for

>hustlers and visit online sites looking for young hooker boys?

> Really, man, go look in the mirror before you feel holy

>enough and morally superior enough to throw stones at others!

What a load of crap! Surely even you can understand the differance between approaching someone who want's to be approached and someone who doesn't

>

>This is a point others have made often, but once again it goes

>right over the head of you and those who espouse your morally

>superior attitude. What a joke, unfortunately it is more sad

>than funny.

Sounds like YOU are the one with the morally superior attitude.

fukamarine

The Owl

Slightly off topic - but did anyone catch Maria's mother tonight at Arnie's acceptance speech. She looked like a demented owl. Barely able to keep from drooling.

fukamarine

RE: Yipee, now that

VaHawk,If you cannot see the difference between sexual harassment and 2 adults entering into a mutaully benificial buisness agreement than it is time to go for a walk.Maybe one of those rutting deers will run you over.

Get off of James' case-he has not insulted you on this board.

And speaking of "glass houses"if you are oposed to street cruising/what do you call your street pickup outside of stellas?

RE: Don't get it...

>Yes, I suppose the law does see them as about equal crimes,

>but how you can morally compare consensual sex even in

>exchange for money to sexual harassment and assault is

>something I just don't understand.

As far as I know, Arnold was never convicted of "assault," nor even charged with assult. Nor (unlike Bill Clinton) was he ever sued for sexual harassment, let alone found by any court to have engaged in it.

Funny how those who normally cry that people are presumed innocent until proven guilty so quickly dispense with that "principle" when they want to brand someone they don't like with a crime that they haven't been convicted of.

It's equally funny that those who most vigorously defended Bill Clinton from sexual harassment charges and charges of sexual assault are, with equal vigor, attacking Arnold for having been accused of the same thing. Gee, I wonder what explains the inconsistency?

RE: Yipee...

Keep in mind, at 98% reporting, 52% of us voted for someone else. County of LA did come out against the recall, but only by a 2% margin. Fuck.

I guess we'll see what happens... I don't imagine Arnold's going to enjoy his time in office, but hopefully it shakes things up. You don't get a more conservative Democrat then Davis was (until he started obviously pandering towards the end), so maybe it'll help to make them give us a candidate we can be enthusiastic about. Not sure that's one of our women senators though...

How does one get the nomination for governor I wonder...? I don't think it's any kind of public primary, if progressives get involved there, we could make a difference...

RE: Don't get it...

I suppose I should have said alleged sexual harassment and assault. It's OK though, it's all going to made clear, spelled out, within the next couple days, according to one of the few campaign promises he did actually make. At least some of the harassment has already been admited though...

Hollywood is a very proprietary place, now that he's being referred to as a 'former actor' and all the victims know of the extent, I'm sure you'll see plenty of action in court.

It's not going to take a special prosecutor, the House of Representatives, and millions and millions of dollars, not to mention massive FBI time, to gather the info.... I'm not sure it should remove him from office, though if it'd came out early it well could have kept him from being elected. Everybody says the LA Times was purely political in the timing and that Davis was involved, I don't think so this time, the only clean campaign Davis has been involved in, or they really bungled it by waiting. Before the debates it would've killed him.

RE: Don't get it...

>I suppose I should have said alleged sexual harassment and

>assault. It's OK though, it's all going to made clear,

>spelled out, within the next couple days, according to one of

>the few campaign promises he did actually make. At least some

>of the harassment has already been admited though...

No, he has not admitted engaging in "harrassment." One of the most partisian Democratic operatives ever, USC Professor Susan Estrich, former Clinton adviser, has made very clear that even if the allegations are true, they do NOT amount to criminal "sexual assault" or even "sexual harrassement" under the law.

There's no allegation that he raped anyone, or molested anyone, or persisted in sexual advances after he was told no. Most of the allegations, even if true, amount to extremely crass, boorish, and ugly behavior, but not criminal or actionable under "sexual harassment" laws.

>I'm not sure

>it should remove him from office, . . .

Were you sure whether or not Clinton's behavior should have removed him from office? What's the difference? He was accused by several woman of UNWANTED sexual advances (Katherine Willy being but one example).

>. . . though if it'd came out

>early it well could have kept him from being elected.

I doubt this. It didn't stop Clinton from having high popularity ratings and from the majority of people opposing impeachment; I don't think it would have stoppe Arnold no matter how early it came out. People don't give a shit about this sort of thing - that is conclusively proven!

>Everybody says the LA Times was purely political in the timing

>and that Davis was involved, I don't think so this time, the

>only clean campaign Davis has been involved in, or they really

>bungled it by waiting. Before the debates it would've killed

>him.

Actually, these stories have been publicized for a long time about him. There was a cover story 2 years ago in Premiere Magazine. Nobody cares.

The way more significant story, I think, was his infatuation for dictatorial power - not his vague statements regarding Hitler, but his frequenlty expressed desire to have the masses follow him and for him to amass unchallenged power. That's cleraly part of his character which should have matter. The fact that he grabbed a few women's tits - nobody gives a fuck about that.

RE: Don't get it...

>There's no allegation that he raped anyone, or molested

>anyone, or persisted in sexual advances after he was told no.

>Most of the allegations, even if true, amount to extremely

>crass, boorish, and ugly behavior, but not criminal or

>actionable under "sexual harassment" laws.

So I can fondle people, lift up their shirt, skirt, whatever I want, until they tell me no? It's fine as long as I don't do it to that person again? I'd think harassment is a no-brainer, and some of the reports seem to easily cross the line to assault as they combined physical entrapment with sexual fondling. Guess we'll see though.

>>I'm not sure

>>it should remove him from office, . . .

>

>Were you sure whether or not Clinton's behavior should have

>removed him from office? What's the difference? He was

>accused by several woman of UNWANTED sexual advances

>(Katherine Willy being but one example).

Good point...

>The way more significant story, I think, was his infatuation

>for dictatorial power - not his vague statements regarding

>Hitler, but his frequenlty expressed desire to have the masses

>follow him and for him to amass unchallenged power. That's

>cleraly part of his character which should have matter. The

>fact that he grabbed a few women's tits - nobody gives a fuck

>about that.

You may have a point there too... at least he can't run for President or Vice President. Not that we could do much worse (given the choice I'd take Arnold over Bush/Haliburton any day).

RE: Don't get it...

>The way more significant story, I think, was his infatuation

>for dictatorial power - not his vague statements regarding

>Hitler, but his frequenlty expressed desire to have the masses

>follow him and for him to amass unchallenged power. That's

>cleraly part of his character which should have mattered.

That's the only part that mattered to me. I kind of like a politician who says (and shows through his actions) that he works for the people, not that he wants the people's adoration.

Funny how it all comes back to my boy Howard Dean.

RE: Don't get it...

Some of the creatures posting here have absolutly no idea how hollywood operates.

If you are hoping to work in Hollywood-at any level at all-you NEVER NEVER NEVER stir the pot/file a lawsuit/report a criminal activity commited by any other hollywood person.Only the highest powers that be have that option,and that is used as punishment to keep people in line.

That is how it is-has been from the start.And anyone who breaks with this will be lucky to get a gig holding a PIZZA PIZZA sign in front of a little caesers.

It is an extremly undemocratic place to work and the powers that be use every dirty trick at their disposal to make sure that the industry is a closed set.

RE: Don't get it...

>Some of the creatures posting here have absolutly no idea how

>hollywood operates.

Oh, okay - from your lengthy experience on the moive set of Moby Dick, why don't you put down that bacon cheeserburger you're having for breakfast and tell us all about how "Hollywood operates."

And nobody is talking about how "Hollywood operates" - it's irrelevant to the point, which I know you are biologically incapable of every getting so I forgive you for being confused.

>If you are hoping to work in Hollywood-at any level at all-you

>NEVER NEVER NEVER stir the pot/file a lawsuit/report a

>criminal activity commited by any other hollywood person.Only

>the highest powers that be have that option,and that is used

>as punishment to keep people in line.

That's just wrong. Many people have sued Hollywood celebrities before, and many Hollywood celebrities have gone to jail for committing crimes which were reported to the police.

If women were brave enough to file complaints of sexual harassment against the frigging President of the United States, I think it's significant that none were filed against this actor.

And funny how - a week before the election - they all suddenly found their courage and came forward. How come? Why weren't they so worried about retribution last week?

Shamelessly copied from gawker.com

Dear California,

I used to have this friend in high school. She wasn't a slut, exactly; she was just really needy. And whenever some hot new jock guy would breeze into town, she'd think, "Yes, he's the one! He'll fix everything that's wrong with me!" Then she'd throw herself at him in the most demeaning way possible.

That always worked out well for her. Jesus. What happened, California? Did your dad fuck you up that much?

I'm doing take-backs on taking back all those things that I said about you, California. You are a state of stupid self-hating fruitcakes. But we're still concerned. We'll build the political equivalent of a battered women's shelter for you when your hot and totally dysfunctional love affair with Arnold is over.

And now who's gonna help you out when Arnold's beating you senseless in the middle of the night? You think Nevada gives a shit? Christ. It's tough love time, Cali. Let's never speak again.

Your concerned -- and really embarrassed -- ex-friend,

New York State