SorryEverybody

Oh my what should I say. "Bucky" is sure to have a fit. I live in Florida coming from New England (a blue state to a red state). Oh I forgot to say white (so that obviously means I am prejudiced). To me religion has caused just about every war in history so don't you try to tell me my white trash, born again Christian past (which never was)has anything to do with my opinion. Especially since I don't believe in any religion.

However I will vote the way I want and it turned out to be anti terror and your lovely liberal party just does not understand what is going on in the world. You can't understand you lost and all you can do is attack, attack, attack. Because we are anti-black, anti-intellegience, anti-liberal, anti-semitism etc., etc., etc.(oh I should probably throw in anti-gay), you, for some reason, seem to have to think that that is true. I don't. I really feel sorry for you.

>Given this fact, which you necessarily acknowledge, how can

>you continue to claim that the difference between the parties

>is razor-thin? The GOP is dominating every aspect of national

>politics. Rather than pretend that's not so because it's

>painful to admit it, wouldn't it be better to acknowledge this

>fact and figure out what you're going to do about it?

I'm not pretending anything. It is painful that the GOP has so much power right now. But I really, truly believe the GOP is not dominating as much as you seem to think. Yes, they have the power now, and they will for a while, but I feel its just a temporary swing in the tide more than anything else. And when the democrats win next, that too will likely be temporary. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. (And if I am, there may be some BIG changes. Liberals will start leaving in droves in that case. I just don't see it happening. I see things changing first.)

>OK, fine- things are going great. Keep doing what you're

>doing. There's no reason to chagne anything. Here's hoping

>that more and more liberals agree with you on that. Keep

>marching off the cliff.

Never said things are going great. They're not. But bad times (from my perspective of course) happen. That doesn't mean they're permanent. And people tend to be fickle and change their minds all the time. The reason I'm not worried about things eventually changing is because I have faith that they will - not because I think we can just sit by and do nothing about it. Action is necessary, and I never doubted that. I just don't feel things are nearly as hopeless as you portray them.

>

>When liberals run for political office, they have to pretend

>that they are not liberals.

I see this happen on both ends of the spectrum. Extreme liberals do indeed try to make their views seem less threatening to conservative voters, and extreme conservatives tend to try to seem less threatening to liberals. "Compassionate conservative" anyone?

>Listen to the things you read here. I read here someone

>calling the Iraqi insurgents who cut off people's heads

>"Freedom fighters." They hope the U.S. loses in Iraq and that

>the Muslim extremists win. They are true socialists and

>pacifists.

I'm not sure what exactly you read, but are you sure you read it as it was intended? Believe it or not, it is possible to hate the actions taken by someone, but also to understand why those actions are happening. I don't think America has any business in Iraq, and I think we're they're unjustly. I also think they're fighting back the way they've been brought up to fight, and frankly, most countries that were invaded and occupied by ANY outside force against their will would be fighting back too! To them, they ARE fighting for their freedom. I can certainly see WHY they're fighting, and I think much of this pain and death is caused by OUR actions. The country's a mess, and we caused it based on preemption and thinking they might be dangerous.

That does *NOT* mean I "hope the U.S. loses", and that does *NOT* mean it's any less troubling or hurtful when one of our people is killed in Iraq. I am NOT rooting for Iraq or the destruction of the US. But I also don't think the Iraquis are the awful monsters they're often portrayed as, and I don't think we're the angelic saviors swooping in to help them (What we've done over there to me is both awful and unjustified.). Both sides feel they're doing the *right* thing (aside from the clear terrorists; those beheading civilians, etc., and who knows - maybe they truly believe that too, even if I can't understand it; but I think they're the exception and the majority are scared and angry people fighting, from their point of view, for their home).

At any rate, I hope you understand what I'm saying. I have a feeling after reading this, you're going to think I'm pro-Iraq and anti-US, but that's simply not the case.

>Isn't the writing on the fucking wall? Even if you want to

>prevent that the GOP and Democratic parties are close in terms

>of votes, liberalism - true liberalism, of the type you see

>here - is dead, hated, reviled and poisonous.

No offense, but who are you to define true liberalism? Most people have different perceptions of what they consider liberal, despite any textbook definition. I consider myself quite liberal, but my views are not at all what you've portrayed them as, at least in my opinion.

>Why do liberals feel better denying these facts?

Not in denial. I just disagree.

>At any rate, I hope you understand what I'm saying. I have a

>feeling after reading this, you're going to think I'm pro-Iraq

>and anti-US, but that's simply not the case.

>

>No I did not get that feeling at all. You stated what you felt. I have different opinions but you stated what you felt without animosity. Wouldn't that be nice if we all could act that way.

Please tell me that you meant to put your reply under BuckyXTC's post and not Doug69's!

Did you notice that none of the rest of us, resorted to racist, name calling, denigratingly personal attacks, except B? But only the lunatic fringe liberalists are allowed to engage in that practice, unchecked and uncensored, right?

Such tactics are WHY they will continue to lose the elections, on every level, from the local mayoral elections to the national presidential/senatorial/representational elections! :o

To accuse FFF of racisim for stating the facts of inner city education, or Doug69 of racism, just for being a conservative, voice of reason is really hitting an all-time low.

Hook...

Line...

... and sinker. }(

>What we've done over there to me is both awful and unjustified.

I'd be curious to have you name three things we've done over there that are "awful".

Curiously yours,

FFF

>Hook...

>

>Line...

>

>... and sinker. }(

Be honest. Did you used to post here as TaylorKY? The similarities are truly striking - and ought to be, for you at least, genuinely disturbing.

>I'd be curious to have you name three things we've done over

>there that are "awful".

1. We invaded and bombed their country without provocation or justification. I am *NOT* arguing these are perfect people who live completely happy and conflict-free lives, but they were really no imminent threat to us, and I don't think we had any right to be there on the grounds that we don't like dictatorships (and I don't, but it wasn't my call either). There were no weapons of mass destruction, nor is there a clear tie to the 9/11 attacks. I would call an unprovoked attack, invasion, and occupation of a country awful, no matter the ideals behind it. And lack of accurate intelligence is no excuse IMO.

2. The whole prisoner abuse/torture scandal. While hopefully these incidents were not extremely widespread (Who really knows?), they're certainly horrible things that should not have happened. (Plus, while not the key issue, they certainly don't help America's credibility.)

3. Due to the destruction of so much in Iraq, many have suffered horribly, losing family members, being without power, water, etc. Civilians are dead. Lots of OUR soldiers are dead. And America is still trying to more or less FORCE the Iraqis to become democratic (which I find ironic in itself), thus putting MORE civilians at risk from insurgents opposed to democracy. What gives us the right to force another country to do anything? Feels like we're a dictatorship causing a lot more murders than we're preventing...

That's just three. I'm sure there are more.

>Please tell me that you meant to put your reply under

>BuckyXTC's post and not Doug69's!

>

>Did you notice that none of the rest of us, resorted to

>racist, name calling, denigratingly personal attacks, except

>B? But only the lunatic fringe liberalists are allowed to

>engage in that practice, unchecked and uncensored, right?

>

>Such tactics are WHY they will continue to lose the elections,

>on every level, from the local mayoral elections to the

>national presidential/senatorial/representational elections!

>:o

>

>To accuse FFF of racisim for stating the facts of inner city

>education, or Doug69 of racism, just for being a conservative,

>voice of reason is really hitting an all-time low.

Well, the truth is out, straight from the mouth of another liar. VAHawk has told us repeatedly how he was against Bush and a democrat and all that, now he uses "they" to describe liberals. Are we now seeing the real VAHawk come out of his conservative closet, or are you just doing your usual swoon to publicly kiss Doug's ass again ad nauseum? Your anti-immigration xenophobia is well-documented at the Message Center, so now it is you who is being the hypocrite. Big surprise!

'Are we now seeing the real VAHawk come out of his conservative closet, or are you just doing your usual swoon to publicly kiss Doug's ass again ad nauseum? Your anti-immigration xenophobia is well-documented at the Message Center, so now it is you who is being the hypocrite. Big surprise!"

Nope, the same old VaHawk, who has always been here, and believe me, when I say, that I've never needed a CLOSET!

As far as "swoon to publicly kiss Doug's ass again ad nauseum?", get real! I have no need to kiss anyone's ass, never have done so, and am not about to start so, at this stage in my life. I just happen to believe that Doug69, despite our disagreements, especially about politics, is WORLDS above you in expressing his opinions, without all the name-calling, racist bs that you spout!

As such, at least imho, he is at least 100 times more admirable and worthy of respect, than you will ever be! Which, in turn, especially given the educated, informed, factual basis of his posts, makes his opinion a thousand fold more valuable than anything that you posit.

Please, do you know how RIDICULOUS you sound and how OBVIOUS your anti-white, anti-Christian bullshit is to everyone here? Do you realize how HATEFUL your comments are to anyone who disagrees with you, no matter what the topic of discussion?

But then again, only YOU should be allowed to post your hateful, name-calling bullshit against those who disagree with your personal opinion, about anything, with no adverse actions against you??? Why is that? Not enough people hitting the ALERT button?

Yeah, I'm such a trailer park dwelling denizen, Southern White trash pos, and so xenophobic! Can I burn a cross on your lawn? x( x( x( x(

>'Are we now seeing the real VAHawk come out of his

>conservative closet, or are you just doing your usual swoon to

>publicly kiss Doug's ass again ad nauseum? Your

>anti-immigration xenophobia is well-documented at the Message

>Center, so now it is you who is being the hypocrite. Big

>surprise!"

>

>Nope, the same old VaHawk, who has always been here, and

>believe me, when I say, that I've never needed a CLOSET!

Yep, the same old lying phony redneck.

>

>

>Please, do you know how RIDICULOUS you sound and how OBVIOUS

>your anti-white, anti-Christian bullshit is to everyone here?

>Do you realize how HATEFUL your comments are to anyone who

>disagrees with you, no matter what the topic of discussion?

See, you make my case. No original thoughts from you, you just repeat Dougie's words like they're gospel truth. I don't have no animus toward decent whites or people who seriously try to emulate Jesus in the way they live their lives. I reserve my contempt for assholes and fascists like you and your mentor, Dougie.

>

>But then again, only YOU should be allowed to post your

>hateful, name-calling bullshit against those who disagree with

>your personal opinion, about anything, with no adverse actions

>against you??? Why is that? Not enough people hitting the

>ALERT button?

I'm sure you've used the alert button against me, because you're such a lightweight you can't muster any real arguments, so you go running off to the moderators sniveling, "Look what big bad mean Bucky said about me". Boo hoo hoo.

If you don't like what I post, that's fine. I'd be really worried if you did like it. But don't go pissing and moaning about like a two year old when you jump into things and get your tail feathers singed.

>

>Yeah, I'm such a trailer park dwelling denizen, Southern White

>trash pos, and so xenophobic! Can I burn a cross on your

>lawn? x( x( x( x(

Whatever......

RE: SorryAlmostEverybody

Hook, line and sinker! Isn't this what makes the forum so fun?

>See, you make my case. No original thoughts from you, you

>just repeat Dougie's words like they're gospel truth.

How so? I didn't repeat anyone's words, and my thoughts were my own! What words did I repeat?

>I don't have no animus toward decent whites or people who seriously

>try to emulate Jesus in the way they live their lives. I

>reserve my contempt for assholes and fascists like you and

>your mentor, Dougie.

See, there you go again! When you have no logical arguments to back up or support your opinions, you resort to the name calling, don't you? That double negative, "I don't have no animus", which equates to the opposite, is that a Freudian slip?????

>>

>I'm sure you've used the alert button against me, because

>you're such a lightweight you can't muster any real arguments,

>so you go running off to the moderators sniveling, "Look what

>big bad mean Bucky said about me". Boo hoo hoo.

I have used the ALERT button against you ONCE, when you posted a link to an insulting picture as to what I like in men, which after my alert the moderator deleted, and chastised you for, but you certainly can verify that with the moderators. Big Bad Bucky???? LMFAO!

>If you don't like what I post, that's fine. I'd be really

>worried if you did like it. But don't go pissing and moaning

>about like a two year old when you jump into things and get

>your tail feathers singed.

WTF are you referring to? Nothing, as usual, except some pathetic attempt to cover yourself, when you are outed as the most racist, name-calling, obnoxious, self-centered, holier than thou poster on this site! You don't even heat my feathers, much less singe them!

Sorry, you can't take being outed as the anti-white, anti-Southern, anti-American, Christian-hating, totally animostic, far leftist liberal that you are!

>>Yeah, I'm such a trailer park dwelling denizen, Southern

>White

>>trash pos, and so xenophobic! Can I burn a cross on your

>>lawn? x( x( x( x(

>

>Whatever......

Wow! Such an intellectual, thoughtful response!

If anyone should be BANNED from this site for hateful, racist, name-calling bullshit, it should be you, hands down, bar none! x(

>Well, I'll just throw some gasoline on the fire here.

Gasoline??? I'd call it plain and simple racism.

>Well boys and girls, the little inconvient FACT that no one

>likes to talk about is the Black Vote. If blacks didn't vote

>for Democrats as they do (nearly 90% of blacks vote for the

>Dems) the vast majority of Democrats could not win elections.

>Period. And what do we know about the the educational system

>regarding blacks? They're consistantly left holding the short

>end of the stick (a system that is owned by the Dems and the

>teachers' unions). I think it would be safe to say that of

>that 90% who vote Democrat, a large chunk isn't the most,

>shall we say, "informed".

While it is true that Blacks often find themselves on the short end of the Socio-Econmic spectrum and as a result it is true that they do not usually have access to the finer educational opportunites. However, I think it speaks volumes about the abillities of Blacks to thrive under the harshest conditions when they can produce Oprahs, Mayas, Cosbys and Powells. They have produced Marcelles, Wonder and Armstrong. Some of the finest minds in the country came from the ghettos of black America. And even though they were poor and did not have access to the finer schools, they none the less became major contributors to what makes this country great.

The fact that blacks vote overwhelmingly for Dems. just points out how bright they really are. They were not fooled by charm. They didn't listen to the lies. They held a criminal, a liar, a killer of American patriots accountable for his actions. They didn't reward his insanity. All in all, I think they are the ones who have it correct. Too bad White America didn't follow their lead in equal numbers. We'd be a better nation.

>So, when I hear you liberals caterwauling about the toothless

>white Christian hicks of Kentucky, West Virginia, Mississippi

>and Georgia voting for Bush, don't forget you've got your own

>toothless wonders living in the Bronx, South Central LA,

>Detroit, Philadelphia, and Chicago. If you consider THAT "the

>brain trust of the US" then no wonder you keep losing

>elections.

Yes, they are part of the brain trust of America. We keep loosing the elections because of biggots like you who hate the fact that Dems. embrace everyone.

You are a very sad man. So much hatred, so much bitterness.

God be with you.

South Beach:

To your post I say AMEN! FFF's post was clearly racist, of course that would never be acknowledged by some here, who think America only belongs to the white republican crowd. Of course they're more than happy to bestow honor and praise on the likes of Alan Keyes and Clarence Thomas because they sing the same tune. Things like voter suppression through intimidation are just peachy keen with them, because principles be damned, it's win at any price. The republlicans have abandoned their former hero Lincoln and traded him in for the Jerry Falwells and David Dukes. There's only one principle that drives the modern republican party, and that is greed. No more respect for civil liberties, no more respect for the rule of law, the new standard is that the rules don't apply to them. Nixon was the harbinger of what they are today: a party that thinks it is above the law and principle.

This was actually very amusing to read. My only point would be that it seems that the "educated" liberals sure use a heckava lot of them four letter words in their arguments. I was always taught that was a tad easy, lazy and stupid. Now I've certainly used the word "fucking" on this message board a great deal, but that was only when a 6'4", 9" Brazilian was pounding my hole.

Later.

PS. Is everyone counting the days until the tax cuts are made permanent and Scalia (whom your leader, Reid, said yesterday was fine - an indication that he can't hold the extra 5 democrats against his nomination) is named as Chief Justice. Oh, democracy.

RE: SorryAlmostEverybody

You can say that again. :-)

>The fact that blacks vote overwhelmingly for Dems. just points

>out how bright they really are. They were not fooled by charm.

>They didn't listen to the lies. They held a criminal, a liar,

>a killer of American patriots accountable for his actions.

>They didn't reward his insanity. All in all, I think they are

>the ones who have it correct. Too bad White America didn't

>follow their lead in equal numbers. We'd be a better nation.

>

>>So, when I hear you liberals caterwauling about the

>toothless

>>white Christian hicks of Kentucky, West Virginia,

>Mississippi

>>and Georgia voting for Bush, don't forget you've got your

>own

>>toothless wonders living in the Bronx, South Central LA,

>>Detroit, Philadelphia, and Chicago. If you consider THAT

>"the

>>brain trust of the US" then no wonder you keep losing

>>elections.

>

>Yes, they are part of the brain trust of America. We keep

>loosing the elections because of biggots like you who hate the

>fact that Dems. embrace everyone.

>

>You are a very sad man. So much hatred, so much bitterness.

>

>God be with you.

>

Hmm, I guess all white people in the Southern states are all gumless toothless wonders. But if you are black, even if they use "Ebonics" like bucky does, they are part of the "brain trust of America". Sorry Southbeachbtm, as much as I have disagreed with you, that was the most dispicable statement I have ever heard. And you have the gall to call someone else sad!

You think it was biggots that lost the election. I think it was people like you that have absolutely no commen sense and have the audacity to blame it on someone else. To repeat what you stated, but pointed anoher way, you are a very sad man. How do you even sleep at night? So sad...

>Hmm, I guess all white people in the Southern states are all

>gumless toothless wonders. But if you are black, even if they

>use "Ebonics" like bucky does, they are part of the "brain

>trust of America".

Sorry, I never that. Don't put words into my mouth. And there is nothing wrong with Ebonics. It's no different than the southern linguo I hear down in Florida or cajun in La. regional or cultural dialects often spring up. That's why Scotts sound different than English.

>Sorry Southbeachbtm, as much as I have disagreed with you, that was >the most dispicable statement I

>have ever heard. And you have the gall to call someone else

>sad!

>

>You think it was biggots that lost the election. I think it

>was people like you that have absolutely no commen sense and

>have the audacity to blame it on someone else. To repeat what

>you stated, but pointed anoher way, you are a very sad man.

>How do you even sleep at night? So sad...

I stand by what I said. It is because of biggots who either hate blacks or hate jews or hate Gays or hate women that we lost this election. Sorry if I hit a personal nerve. I guess the truth hurts huh?

>I stand by what I said. It is because of biggots who either

>hate blacks or hate jews or hate Gays or hate women that we

>lost this election. Sorry if I hit a personal nerve. I guess

>the truth hurts huh?

>

Huh? I did not know I hated blacks, jews, gays and women. But from your assumption YOU have to hate white men (it is difficult to see if it is gay or straight). Sorry if I hit a personal nerve. I guess the truth hurts, huh? Next time you make a ridiculous statement think about it before you post.

>Huh? I did not know I hated blacks, jews, gays and women. But

>from your assumption YOU have to hate white men (it is

>difficult to see if it is gay or straight). Sorry if I hit a

>personal nerve. I guess the truth hurts, huh? Next time you

>make a ridiculous statement think about it before you post.

No, I never said I hated white men. Again you are wrong.

>Hmm, I guess all white people in the Southern states are all

>gumless toothless wonders. But if you are black, even if they

>use "Ebonics" like bucky does, they are part of the "brain

>trust of America". Sorry Southbeachbtm, as much as I have

>disagreed with you, that was the most dispicable statement I

>have ever heard. And you have the gall to call someone else

>sad!

>

>You think it was biggots that lost the election. I think it

>was people like you that have absolutely no commen sense and

>have the audacity to blame it on someone else. To repeat what

>you stated, but pointed anoher way, you are a very sad man.

>How do you even sleep at night? So sad...

Now where, pray tell, have I used ebonics? If you read the various posts I've made here, I believe you would be hard pressed to find any such usage.

You, on the other hand, have the spelling skills of a backwoods elementary school dropout. Shall I cite a few instances?

Common, not commen

bigots, not biggots

Always happy to help you out, Bubba.

Ebonics: that great regional dialect

>Now where, pray tell, have I used ebonics? If you read the

>various posts I've made here, I believe you would be hard

>pressed to find any such usage.

One need not venture further than this very thread to find the example which you seek. Here's Bucky, in post #35:

"I don't have no animus toward decent whites or people who seriously try to emulate Jesus in the way they live their lives."

Now, as he confessed in this thread, SouthBchBttm don't got no problem with ebonics - he disgustingly says it's actually perfectly fine and even charming for black children to speak in an illiterate manner which mangles the rules of English and relegates them to a lifetime of poverty because - hey! - what more can you expect from black children, and who are we to say they should speak English correctly? (see post #43: "there is nothing wrong with Ebonics").

But, Bucky, don't be goin' and sayin' you don't speak Ebonics and shit when the proof is right there in the recorded pudding - this particular pudding being post #35.

RE: Ebonics: that great regional dialect

>>Now where, pray tell, have I used ebonics? If you read the

>>various posts I've made here, I believe you would be hard

>>pressed to find any such usage.

>

>One need not venture further than this very thread to find the

>example which you seek. Here's Bucky, in post #35:

>

>"I don't have no animus toward decent whites or people who

>seriously try to emulate Jesus in the way they live their

>lives."

>

>Now, as he confessed in this thread, SouthBchBttm don't got no

>problem with ebonics - he disgustingly says it's actually

>perfectly fine and even charming for black children to speak

>in an illiterate manner which mangles the rules of English and

>relegates them to a lifetime of poverty because - hey! - what

>more can you expect from black children, and who are we to say

>they should speak English correctly? (see post #43: "there is

>nothing wrong with Ebonics").

>

>But, Bucky, don't be goin' and sayin' you don't speak Ebonics

>and shit when the proof is right there in the recorded pudding

>- this particular pudding being post #35.

Adolph69:

Use of the word "no" rather than "any" is clearly incorrect from a grammatical standpoint, and it was clearly an inadvertent mistype on my part. Admitting that, in no way would it bolster the contention that I use "ebonics". On the other hand, your posts are littered with misspelled words and typos.....should we conclude that you're an illiterate buffoon, or just careless? Just asking.

RE: Ebonics: that great regional dialect

>>>Now where, pray tell, have I used ebonics? If you read

>the

>>>various posts I've made here, I believe you would be hard

>>>pressed to find any such usage.

>>

>>One need not venture further than this very thread to find

>the

>>example which you seek. Here's Bucky, in post #35:

>>

>>"I don't have no animus toward decent whites or people

>who

>>seriously try to emulate Jesus in the way they live their

>>lives."

>>

>>Now, as he confessed in this thread, SouthBchBttm don't got

>no

>>problem with ebonics - he disgustingly says it's actually

>>perfectly fine and even charming for black children to speak

>>in an illiterate manner which mangles the rules of English

>and

>>relegates them to a lifetime of poverty because - hey! -

>what

>>more can you expect from black children, and who are we to

>say

>>they should speak English correctly? (see post #43: "there

>is

>>nothing wrong with Ebonics").

>>

>>But, Bucky, don't be goin' and sayin' you don't speak

>Ebonics

>>and shit when the proof is right there in the recorded

>pudding

>>- this particular pudding being post #35.

>

>Adolph69:

>

>Use of the word "no" rather than "any" is clearly incorrect

>from a grammatical standpoint, and it was clearly an

>inadvertent mistype on my part. Admitting that, in no way

>would it bolster the contention that I use "ebonics". On the

>other hand, your posts are littered with misspelled words and

>typos.....should we conclude that you're an illiterate

>buffoon, or just careless? Just asking.

>