Dan Rather Is Committing Professional Suicide On Live Television

RE: Another Kerny Joke from FFF

Small things are often more revealing than large ones when one is trying to form a judgement of a person's future behavior. How a candidate and his team react under pressure in the election cycle, wherever the pressure comes from, is to my mind a fair indicator of how they will act when in office and under greater pressure. That's why I'm interested in these things.

RE: Another Kerny Joke from FFF

Just another nail in Kerry's coffin. His attempt to make his trumped up record in Vietnam the center of his campaign was bazarre to begin with. And his irrelevant attempt to make Bush's National Guard service seem dishonerable has now been irretrievably shot down. (Yes, it was Kerry who adopted the National Guard strategy by equating the National Guard with draft evasion.) That combined with his pathological inablity to formulate and remember a consistent position on Iraq, make Kerry's campaign one of the most inept in modern history.

$10,000? Just think of all the escort hours that could buy!!! (Remember what this site is about, boys?)

RE: Another Kerny Joke from FFF

>Please stop lying, Rick.

Come over here and make me.

>I run around publicly calling people I like liars all

>the time.

Saying somebody lied and saying you hate them are two different things. And I hope you aren't carrying scissors when you run around or you'll hurt somebody. :+

>$10,000? Just think of all the escort hours that could

>buy!!! (Remember what this site is about, boys?)

This is definite proof that trilingual and flitfangfoom are one and the same. Look at the first post in this thread:

>>Just think how many wh.....er.....I mean escorts you can hire for that amount!<<

I'm calling Dan Rather. I think he needs to alert the National Guard about this development.

>There is already an offer to pay > $10,000 to anyone

>who can produce a similar text on any IBM (or other)

>typewriter available at the time--surely easy money as plenty

>of used typewriter stores still stock them! Go out and claim

>your prize! (for more details see:

>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1212595/posts)

And that offer will always stand because it's IMPOSSIBLE to create that (XEROX'ed) memo with a typewriter from the 1970's.

I'm sure CBS would be very happy to plunk one of those typewriters down in front of their cameras and have someone type out an identical copy of the memo, but they haven't done that for one simple reason: It's impossible. The documents are fakes.

Everyone who hates Bush can keep squealing like a pig stuck in the fence but it ain't gonna change the FACT that the document is a fake.

Here's another fun link about it.

http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41&image=60minbusted.swf

Informatively yours,

FFF

FFF wrote:

>And that offer will always stand because it's IMPOSSIBLE to

>create that (XEROX'ed) memo with a typewriter from the

>1970's.

We already know what it means when FFF says something is IMPOSSIBLE.

>Here's another fun link about it.

>

>http://img41.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img41ℑ=60minbusted.swf

That page's claims are full of holes, but FFF didn't bother to look closely.

1. The 60minbusted page makes a point about proportional spacing,

saying that typewriters had fixed spacing. (See earlier messages

in this thread.)

2. The 60minbusted page shows a document they brewed up with

MS Word, and superimposes it on the memo from CBS to show you

that they match. To a casual observer they look similar. But

I grabbed the image from the 60minbusted page and compared

it to the CBS memo, and details don't match. This is from

60minbusted's Word document:

http://www.imagevenue.com/host/web1/e0fd8_word.gif

and this is from the memo from CBS:

http://www.imagevenue.com/host/web1/5d274_cbs.gif

Look at this, it's the memo and a Microsoft Word (aka COMPUTER) document.

Isn't it amazing how a 1970's typewriter was able to do EXACTLY what made Bill Gates a billionaire?

http://instapundit.com/images/cya.jpg

Remarkably yours,

FFF

RE: Another Kerny Joke from FFF

>This is September 11 - as good a time as any to remember that

>we have very dangerous enemies in the world plotting to

>destroy our country.

But applying Occam's Razor to this claim, we find that we only have a significant number of religious fanatics in the world plotting to make a point with assorted attempts to destroy property and injure or kill civilians.

They no more want to destroy our country, than the United States Air Force wants to destroy Iraq when the collateral damage of war results in the killing of civilians and the destruction of their property.

The religious fanatics are crazy, but so are the Americans who get whipped into some sort of near-sexual frenzy into believing that this is some sort of war. If we announced a change in foreign policy, our threat level would be reduced to the level of Finland's.

The religious fanatics are plotting to keep getting our attention, in order to bring about such a change. You know what? They're succeeding (not in changing policy, but in keeping us preoccupied about the next incident).

>Look at this, it's the memo and a Microsoft Word (aka

>COMPUTER) document.

>

>Isn't it amazing how a 1970's typewriter was able to do

>EXACTLY what made Bill Gates a billionaire?

>

>http://instapundit.com/images/cya.jpg

>

>Remarkably yours,

>

>FFF

Well, Fang, there's certainly a problem with the image you posted, which seems to overlay the original memo on a version produced in Word. The only problem is that the Word version uses a different font and is clearly computer-produced, with consistently crisp characters and perfectly even baselines. The original version was obviously produced on a typewrited, with uneven baselines and variations in the consistency of the characters.

Like many others here, or who have posted on other sites, I was a clerical worker in government for a significant part of my career. There were, as other people have stated, IBM Selectric type balls that could produce superscripts like "th", "rd" and "nd", along with mathematical superscripts, scientific characters, and Greek and other non-Roman alphabets. Selectrics were ubiqitous in government. However, there were also Executive models in use. These, as have been shown, produced proportionate spacing and some models could also produce superscripts. Both models were in use concurrently for some time until more modern word processors came along. At the time I was employed in government (beginning in 1969) older Executive models had either been passed along to junior staff who didn't rate the more up-to-date Selectrics, or were still in use by proficient typists (including the secretaries to higher-ranked officials) who could produce documents with few or no mistakes, and who had mastered the difficult trick of making corrections and alterations to documents produced on a proportional typewriter.

The perfection of the typing in this memo seems a bit unlikely, but the person who wrote it may have been a well-trained typist. They certainly weren't uncommon in the military.

In any event, whether or not the CBS memos are fake, there is enough other evidence about how Bush got into the National Guard and the nature of his "service" to shame him into silence when he dares to criticize soldiers who were actually in harm's way, and especially those who volunteered for such service.

The reason the CBS PDF is fuzzy is that it has been copied several times (CBS admits it doesn't have the original).

So to summarize, perhaps the docs are legitimate BUT:

1. Lt Col Killian didn't type;

2. Lt Col Killian's family says he did not maintain such records;

3. Guard regulations prohibited the maintenance of such records;

4. General Bobby Hodges didn't vouch for the docs as CBS said he would;

5. Colonel Buck Staudt --cited in the memos as pushing Killian to "sugarcoat" a Bush evaluation-- had retired more than a year before the memo was allegedly written;

6. Bloggers have been overwhelmed with e-mails from active duty and retire dmilitary who scoff at the form of the memos;

7. Typewriters with proportional spacing were rare in '72/3;

8. Typewriters with superscripting capabilites were rare in '72/3;

9. Typewriters with perfect centering ability were non-existent '72/3;

10. Typewriters with the "kerning" function didn't exist in '72/3;

11. Most experts, from Dr.Cartwright at Rice, , Dr. Bouffard and Farrell Shiver, range from certain to almost certain in their conclusions that the docs are not legit;

12. CBS doesn't have the "originals" and didn't reveal that fact until pressure mounted;

13. The fake docs are easily and exactly reproduced on modern word-processing equipment, (as FFF gif shows above) underscoring the ease with which the bad forgery could have been produced contrasted with the near impossibility of Lt Colonel Killian's producing them in 192/3;

14. Lt Col Killian lacked motive to write and maintain such records;

15. Despite intense media interest in the president's TANG career that extends back at least four years, someone sat on these docs until seven weeks before the 2004 election and after the RNC convention;

16. CBS has a history of obtaining docs damaging to the Bush Adminsitration which in all likelihood came from Democratic partisans; (see for example,instapundit.com/archives/017752.php)

17. Dan Rather has not appeared opposite a serious journalist to answer extended questions on camera, even though his reputation and the reputation of his network are being shredded and a confidant witness would demand a hearing with an experienced, knowledgeable impartial interviewer

trilingual wrote

>Well, Fang, there's certainly a problem with the image you

>posted, which seems to overlay the original memo on a version

>produced in Word. The only problem is that the Word version

>uses a different font and is clearly computer-produced, with

>consistently crisp characters and perfectly even baselines.

>The original version was obviously produced on a typewrited,

>with uneven baselines and variations in the consistency of the

>characters.

I disagree. The baseline and crispness variations are typical

of distortions caused by fax transmission.

This is more credible looking than other attempts I've seen to

show how the memos could be MS Word documents. It originated at

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12551_One_More_CBS_Document_Example

for those who want to see the source. That page lets you download

the MS Word file; you can print it and see for yourself.

>I

>was a clerical worker in government for a significant part of

>my career.

Every now and them, someone writes a short, simple sentence which explains so much about themselves and everything they say and do.

Congratulations on having just done that, Trilingual, even if it was unintentional.

>>I

>>was a clerical worker in government for a significant part

>of

>>my career.

Ari Fleischer, in 2000 a Bush campaign spokesman, quoted Bush as saying he did "paper shuffling" in Montgomery. "He thinks it was desk work," Fleischer said. --USA Today

Well, if paper-shuffling prepares you for the Presidency of the United States, then (by Dougie's reasoning) I should be sitting in the White House at this very moment. I'm sure I shuffled a helluva lot more paper than Dubya ever saw! And I can actually REMEMBER my paper-shuffling, which is more than our brain-damaged fearless leader seems capable of doing!

As for our increasingly desperate Bush defenders, they keep resorting to their tired tactic of trying to deflect attention from basic facts and reality. Even if the CBS documents turn out to be fakes, there is still more than enough other evidence from other sources to demonstrate that Bush avoided serving in Vietnam by using influence to get into the National Guard ahead of other candidates on the waiting list (he even admitted himself that "people made calls" for him) and he hasn't been able to demonstrate that he fully met his service obligations. The Bushitters don't want you to remember any of that. They also desperately want to obscure the fact that Kerry, who could also have used any of the common dodges available to the children of the elite to avoid military service during the Vietnam era, didn't. He volunteered, he served in combat, he was wounded, and he demonstrated heroism saving the life of one of the men on the boat he commanded. That remains unchangeable, as does Bush's sorry record.

The Bushitters also don't want people to be influenced by facts. In '72 - '73 proportional typewriters weren't rare, they were common. They had been made by IBM since the '40s. The government was full of them, as it was also full of Selectrics by the '70s. And the overlaid memos shown here clearly are different, and the differences in the evenness of the baselines and the consistency of the characters are not the differences caused by faxing, they're the differences between typewriters and computerized word processing.

Finally, CYA memos and "memos to file" have been a time-honored way for people in the government to protect themselves from accusations of misconduct or malfeasance when they find themselves forced by superiors (or politicals) to take actions they believe to be illegal or improper. They're not at all uncommon. Except in very unusual situations (and Bush's service situation wasn't one of them) the usual rule in government is to follow orders and challenge them later. Otherwise, you risk being fired or discharged for insubordination. So it's very likely, given the circumstances surrounding Bush's absences and failure to take his flight physical, coupled with pressure to give him a good evaluation in spite of his serious lapses, that Killian wanted to protect himself against any future unpleasantness.

>trilingual wrote

>

>>Well, Fang, there's certainly a problem with the image you

>>posted, which seems to overlay the original memo on a

>version

>>produced in Word. The only problem is that the Word version

>>uses a different font and is clearly computer-produced, with

>>consistently crisp characters and perfectly even baselines.

>>The original version was obviously produced on a typewrited,

>>with uneven baselines and variations in the consistency of

>the

>>characters.

>

>I disagree. The baseline and crispness variations are

>typical

>of distortions caused by fax transmission.

There is a significant difference between cases where the baseline variations were caused by fax transmission and typing. IF the effect was a result of the reproduction, all characters in a word would show the same degree of the effect. This is not the case and individual letters are displaced above the baseline to differnt degrees to the other letters and consistent with other instances of the same letter. As far as I am aware, NO word processing program can produce that effect unless the copy is printed on a mechanical golfball or daisywheel printer.

That brings me to a criticism raised by a "computer expert" who refers to the printer "wheel". Daisywheel printers were later and more common than the linked IBM golfball types but every user I know refers to the interchangeable part on an IBM as a "golfball", not a wheel. "Golfball" as a term for the interchangeable part was as common as "Hoover" for a vacuum cleaner and daisywheels were often called that in slang.

As for the so-called "kerning", this is an effect of the proportional spacing on the IBM golfball which allocated different values to various widths of letters. Word does proportional spacing but not true kerning, that's why you use "Publisher"! True centering was available on the IBM but it was calculated by the typist. You got a couple of special rulers to measure the width of your printed characters and the paper. This was necessary precisely because the IBM had proportional spacing and is the reason for the strange look-up charts in the manual that allowed you to center horizonally and vertically.

As for the fact that the senior officer had retired before the memos were written. It is actually more likely that someone would record influence being made by a retired officer than a serving officer surely? The memo also records the counselling Bush had to receive under the regulations for missing a medical.

It is very unlikely that CBS got these as paper originals, MUCH more likely is that they are microfilm copies of papers that were originally on Bush's file and were "lost" when part of the film was "destroyed" before part of it mysteriously re-appeared.

Finally, the memo is not in the Word Times Roman typeface but IBM's Press Roman. There are two differences I have seen and there may be others. They concern the bottom serifs on the "y" and "p". In Press Roman and the memos, these are simple straight lines running horizontally. In Word Times Roman, the "y" has a slight up curve and a distinct blob at the end. The Word "p" has shoulders on the stroke so there is a curve filling in the two internal right angles.

>slight up curve and a distinct blob at the end. ...

>shoulders on the stroke so there is a curve

I love it when you talk dirty to me....