Bushies stellar record

RE: Vast right-wing hypocrisy...

>Bush was a military pilot who flew complicated, dangerous

>aircraft.

As much as I HATE to give Bush credit for ANYTHING, even the most partisan among us should be able to acknowledge this point.

Heather Wilson – the Republican Congresswomen from New Mexico – was on Bill Maher this week (The same episode where he blasted both parties for their stance on gay marriage.) and really brought that home for me. She made the point that five pilots died in accidents during the same time period that Bush served. Denigrating service in the Air Guard is making a mockery of the sacrifice that those men made and that is reprehensible.

My personal opinion is that Bush probably fulfilled his commitment with the same half-assed, rich-boy sense of entitlement that characterized his younger years. So what? People grow up. There are enough things to criticize about the Bush of 2004 that we don’t need to go back to ancient history.

watchcu talkin' 'bout Doug?

Is this for me?? Do you think I live in Boulder or something cause if you think any other part of Colorado is a 'liberal enclave' you've never been here, or if you did you didn't pay much attention.

The rest of your post was a non non sequitur.. I have no idea how that applies to what I said. What I was trying to illustrate is that those that think it's all Bush's fault for having 9-11 happen on his watch are just as asinine as those that think the fact that it didn't happen during the Clinton administration was a result of his watchful eye. What I think is more inexcusable (IF Bush isn't lying) is that the CIA and FBI (still under the watch of a Clinton appointee) have as much knowledge about what's going on in other countries (or in our own as in the FBI), as they did on 9/10/01. From what I can gather about the situation there are lemmings that can follow leads better then these two agencies did. If there was ever a reason for fundamental change to happen in this arena and if 9/11 wasn't that reason then there really is no chance of the "war" on terrorism being won by the US. How in the WORLD do the leaders of these two agencies still have their jobs?

Gio in Denver

"Never Argue with a Fool---Those around you may not notice the Difference"

RE: Vast right-wing hypocrisy...

>Denigrating service in the Air Guard is making a mockery of the

>sacrifice that those men made and that is reprehensible.

Please note I have done no such thing.

>My personal opinion is that Bush probably fulfilled his

>commitment with the same half-assed, rich-boy sense of

>entitlement that characterized his younger years.

This does seem to be the case, I remember something like 50 points were required for a honorable discharge and he got a whopping 54...

>So what? eople grow up. There are enough things to criticize about

>the Bush of 2004 that we don’t need to go back to ancient

>history.

That is the problem, the press conference in which the pathetic remnants of his record (that aren't sealed away the same place his DUI conviction go to...) were discussed is the first time in THREE FUCKING YEARS the 'Press' has questioned anything of substance about Bush. And nobody's cared. It doesn't involve semen on a plus-sized dress, so why bother with so-called journalism? Oooh, look, a 'celebrity' did something stupid and/or illegal...

No, this should not be the big issue now, it should have been 4 years ago, but the nearest to substance the press got then was to paint Gore as a lying exaggerator (HE NEVER EVEN FUCKING SAID 'I INVENTED THE INTERNET'!!!). So maybe they have a lot to catch up on. Maybe we'll hear about the DUI, the financial failings of most businesses George has touched, his Brother's Savings and Loan scandal (we sure heard a lot more about Clinton's brother!), and eventually, maybe, just maybe, the Press will get to the legion of broken promises from his campaign (pretty much every statement he's ever made in fact... 'leave no child behind', the massive increase in AIDS funding for Africa, could go on and on...), exactly who financed his campaign, exactly what Rove does, and then they just might get to how many minority voters were turned away in Florida in the 2000 election, soon after they'd get to how stunningly little Bush did against terrorism his first 8 months in office. There's *far* more after that, but once mainstream America heard this far there'd be little point in going further.

Too bad the press will instead be easily distracted by a tit on TV, and I'm not talking Rumsfeld. It's curious that the people owning all the major networks are the corporations that have benefited from Bush, maybe they'll get around to covering that too...

In the meantime, we'll take what we can get. It's not like we were the ones raring to invade Iraq or casting him as a 'War President'. Still, if anybody in the Democratic party had balls, they'd run an ad filled with the lies, followed by "I'm a War President" with a text-over: "It's your choice."

Here's are the things that matter to me...

I don't care how someone avoided service in Vietnam...It's long ago. This country is still not giving the vets who DID serve their due. So many of the homeless I have worked with over the years are vets who came back to a bitterly divided country that not only didn't welcome them home, but still doesn't give them proper health care.

As for the OP's subject <Bush's success>;

This country is still bitterly divided politically and economically.

The surplus has disappeared to be replaced by a huge deficit. Doesn't anyone in Washington get the concept of a balanced checkbook.

Both parties continue to practice the politics of division. As long as the country is so divided, the little guy gradually becomes apathetic to politics (being too busy trying to keep a roof over his head). This allows a small group of powerful people to manipulate the ones who actually vote, by spending huge sums of money to advertise blatant lies and call them truth.

I don't see any relief on the horizon because both political sides have become so extreme in their attacks that one is as bad as the other.

On a side note, one of the posters indicated that since a man has come forward in Alabama who vividly remembers Bush , I would like to point out that from what i have heard, this man with the so called vivid memory is a year off in his remembrances, according to the records released.