Republicans hate Gays

RE: Sean Hannity on gay marraige

I'm not a conservative, but yes, Hannity does whine a lot. It's amazing how he cries about people criticizing Bush during a time of war, yet he did it every do to Clinton during the war in Bosnia.

Oh, and he appeared at several anti-marriage rallies with Ann Coulter. Doesn't do much good for the ol credibility there.

Merlin, that is brilliantly said.

Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

Sounds like Hillary and Sean are twins on this topic:

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From the New York Observer, 2/28/2000

"Hilary, Change your Mind on Death, Gay Marriage"

By Ron Ronsebaum

<<And yet last month when (Hillary) was asked whether she would have supported the ridiculously named Defense of Marriage Act, passed by Congress in 1996 and signed by her cowardly husband -- a law which banned any Federal recognition of gay marriages and permits states to refuse to recognize gay marriages even if they're legitimized by other states -- she said she would have voted for the law.

. . .

"Marriage," she informed us, "has got historic, religious and moral content that goes back to the beginning of time and I think a marriage is as a marriage always has been, between a man and a woman.">>

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How can any self-respecting gay person be a Democrat with anti-gay bigots like Bill and Hillary Clinton leading your party?

Oh, and by the way, every single serious Democratic Presidential Candidate is opposed to gay marriage, on the Sean Hannity ground that "marriage" is "between a man and a woman." How self-hating do you have to be to belong to such an anti-gay political party?

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

>How can any self-respecting gay person be a Democrat with

>anti-gay bigots like Bill and Hillary Clinton leading your

>party?

They are most certainly not leading the party, the popularity of Dean and the apparent failure of Clark proves that. Clinton threw away any influence he could have had, for me anyway, with the BS during his last week in office and by constantly backing down from things he should have fought, such as DOMA.

>Oh, and by the way, every single serious Democratic

>Presidential Candidate is opposed to gay marriage, on the Sean

>Hannity ground that "marriage" is "between a man and a woman."

> How self-hating do you have to be to belong to such an

>anti-gay political party?

It is disappointing, though I'm sure at least one of them has to be for it (Kucinich? He's for everything, isn't he? Oh, just saw the proviso 'serious' ;o) Dean took a strong stand for civil unions, and if civil unions were to get every single benefit of marriage I wouldn't see a difference. Let the fucking churches that don't want gays anyway keep their rituals.

Here's a question though, just out of curiosity if anybody knows, what about the trans-gendered? Their legal status actually changes to the other sex (at what point, only post-op?), does it not? Then they can marry, right? Despite the fact all they've really done from a practical standpoint is neuter themselves...?

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

Amazing, isn't it, how any criticism of the GOP is automatically responded to with the name "Clinton". Pavlov and Locutus would be incredibly proud.

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

>Amazing, isn't it, how any criticism of the GOP is

>automatically responded to with the name "Clinton". Pavlov

>and Locutus would be incredibly proud.

In case you haven't heard, Bill Clinton is the last Democratic President, and his wife is a Democratic Senator from one of the largest states in the country, who leads polls BY FAR among Democrats when asked whom they would like to see as President.

So if someone like you criticizes a Republican for doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING as one of these two Democratic standard-bearers do, the relevance of that in exposing both the unfairness of your criticism as well as your steaming hypocrisy is pretty fucking self-evident, don't you think?

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

No, I was criticizing Sean Hannity. Last time I looked, Hannity was a GOP political commentator, not an office holder. The problem, of course, is your response was part of the pre programming of the Collective. Since you brought up HRC and Bush:

US gay marriage: Hilary Clinton blasts Bush's attack

Eric Johnston

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has lambasted President Bush for supporting a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage, boosting a grassroots campaign pressing her to run for president in 2004.

Clinton made her most extensive comments to date on the anti-gay marriage amendment earlier in the week in New York City at a fund-raiser for the Empire State Pride Agenda (ESPA), a non-partisan civil rights and political advocacy organisation for the state's lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people.

Clinton predicted the amendment will be at the "centre of the presidential election next year" and will be used by people "who try to drive wedges between Americans."

She noted that the push for the amendment represents the first time an attempt is being made to amend the Constitution to specifically deny rights to any group of individuals.

Alan Van Capelle, the executive director of ESPA, told the Gay.com/PlanetOut.com Network he "couldn't have been happier" about Clinton's remarks.

"It's always great when a United States senator with such prominence as Hillary Rodham Clinton stands up for a community that's been marginalised as much as the gay and lesbian community," said Capelle.

Capelle said Democrats are beginning to understand that if a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage moves forward, it could ultimately hurt their campaign fund-raising efforts. If the amendment passes both chambers of Congress, it would then be put to voters in the 50 states.

"It will force large contributors in the gay and lesbian community to decide whether they want to put money toward candidates or to fight state-wide campaigns, which would leave Democratic coffers, which are traditionally under funded, even more sparse," said Capelle.

During her remarks, Clinton said the anti-gay marriage amendment is also being used to distract Americans from the nation's real problems.

"They'd rather talk about taking away rights and undermining the ability of Americans to live their own lives, to have their own families," said Clinton, "than to talk about the miserable economy, to talk about their miserable foreign policy, to talk about their rollback of environmental laws and workers' rights, education and health care!"

Robert Kunst, president of Hillarynow.com, who has started a grassroots campaign to convince Clinton to run for president in 2004, said he's pleased Clinton is "standing on the issue, because no one else is."

The long-time Florida gay activist wants Clinton to run for president because he believes she is the only Democrat capable of beating President George W Bush.

Clinton has said she is not planning a 2004 presidential bid.

Speaking from his cell phone while driving to a meeting with Broward County, Florida, Democrats, Kunst said on Tuesday he launched a campaign to put Clinton on the Democratic primary ballot in New Hampshire as a write-in candidate.

"The country is in great danger," said Kunst, "and Hillary is only Democrat that can defeat Bush."

http://uk.gay.com/headlines/5216

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

>Clinton threw away any influence he could have had, for me

>anyway, with the BS during his last week in office and by

>constantly backing down from things he should have fought,

>such as DOMA.

backing down? fought? come on! call a spade a spade! he wholeheartedly EMBRACED DoMA by affixing to it his signature. he COULD have vetoed it. if he didn't want to waste political capital on a bunch of queers, he could have just let it become law without his signature. instead, he choose to to SIGN IT INTO LAW! that shows how much he cares about gay people after they've visited the voting booth.

>Let the

>fucking churches that don't want gays anyway keep their

>rituals.

but gay rights activists always point out that marriage is a function of the state, not of the church.

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

in defference to doug, i'll remove the HRC quote from my signature.

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

At least you're not responding to your posts as theDCeBoy. of course, it might be interesting tos ee you have a conversation with yourself. Would you ever diagree?

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

>No, I was criticizing Sean Hannity. Last time I looked,

>Hannity was a GOP political commentator, not an office holder.

Oh, I see. You were talking about someone as influential and significant and important as a TV talk show host, and therefore it was illegitimate of me to bring up someone as insignificant and unimportant as a United States Senator who leads all the polls among Democrats when asked whom they want to nominate as President. Silly me - sorry for being so frivolous when you were discussing something as important as the opinon of TV personalities.

> The problem, of course, is your response was part of the pre

>programming of the Collective.

No, imbecile. What you refer to as the "Collective" would never reference Hillary's opposition to gay marriage, because they AGREE with her on that issue. They - like your ilk - try to make Hillary out to be this stalward advocate of gay marriage, when her view on that subject is identical to George Bush's.

It's so hard for you to understand that people are capable of independent thought because there are few people on the planet who engage in it less than you do.

>US gay marriage: Hilary Clinton blasts Bush's attack

LOL!!!!! Oh, so she's opposed to gay marriage and supports FEDERAL legislation which bars it - but she just doesn't think it should be in the form of a Constitutoianl Amendment.

Wow - what a fucking civil rights crusader she is. It's really amazing - any time the Clintons throw their doggies a few meaningless crumbs, even as they piss on your face, you all hold out your tongues and pant ecstastically and bark with gratitude. Don't you ever fucking learn your lesson with them? Good doggie.

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

>in defference to doug, i'll remove the HRC quote from my

>signature.

Hey, Oren - nice to see you - it's been awhile, hope all has been well. You should catch up on the threads here.

What HRC quote did you have in your signature?

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

so she's not sure where she stands? she is against gay marriage, but thinks such an amendment is wedge politics? i see she's mastered her husband's ability to speak out of both sides of his mouth.

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

i had the same quote you did.

i think i managed to go over the character limit anyway.

nice to see someone pointing out how the democrats are not the undisputed vehicle for gay rights though!

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

the gay political leadership is stupid and crazy. how they can be happy with hillary is beyond belief. she throws them a bone that she is not for changing the constitution; oh joy, oh rapture!!! it still does not change the fact that she is not for gay marriage; she wants the courts to do her dirty work; she will not lead the forces for gay marriage; she will not stand up with us on the issue.

the only difference between her and bush is that bush would change the constitution; otherwise she is just a political animal and will go whatever way the wind is blowing.

what a joke; she believes in the holy state of marriage between a man and a woman just like her marriage to bill; we all know that is a faithful relationship.

face the facts, the clintons are not are friends; at least george bush is honest about his feelings about not being gay friendly.

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

Might as well get Pavlov's dog to change as to get the dems to realize what the Clintons are. They have always said they will support the gay issues but whenever one comes up they are always on the other side; none of the libs here even notice that. They are too busy saying how "Asscroft" (their name) or Cheney or Bush is anti-gay. Several months ago Richard Gere even brought it up to the Clintons and they just sloughed it off. No one here even mentioned it from the lib side. Guess Pavlov was right!!

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

>the gay political leadership is stupid and crazy. how they

>can be happy with hillary is beyond belief. she throws them a

>bone that she is not for changing the constitution; oh joy, oh

>rapture!!! it still does not change the fact that she is not

>for gay marriage; she wants the courts to do her dirty work;

>she will not lead the forces for gay marriage; she will not

>stand up with us on the issue.

Her husband did that for 8 years on every issue. He'd go places and speak to his audiences in a soft voice and say how much he loves them - then he'd go and adopt policies totally contrary to their interests and totally contrary to what he said - and they'd still love him! That's where Hillary learned that from - and it still works! Look at the gay liberals fawning at her feet even while she tells them that marriage is between a man and a woman. Sick!!!

That's because what so many people - ESPECIALLY gay liberals - are looking for in political leaders is NOT a strong, effective leader, but instead, a strong Daddy who will love them in lieu of their real Daddy who never did. Because Bill made them feel like he loved them, they swore their absolute loyalty, and nothing - not DOMA, not "don't-ask-don't-tell," not his endless lies and character flaws - would ever make them push Daddy's love away, even though Daddy did nothing to them but abuse them and spit in their face.

>the only difference between her and bush is that bush would

>change the constitution; otherwise she is just a political

>animal and will go whatever way the wind is blowing.

Yes - and Bush hasn't even said he favors amending the Constitution; he's been rather coy about it, so thus far, his position and Hillary's are identical when it comes to gay marriage. Lots of conservatives, including "social conservatives," are strongly opposed to the amendment, and it is already dead on arrival.

So Hillary's opposition to THAT - while she still opposes gay marriage and supports DOMA - is hardly something to cheer, but her adoring little puppies will wag their tails and yelp anyways whenever she throws them a crumb.

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

>Oh, I see. You were talking about someone as influential and

>significant and important as a TV talk show host, and

>therefore it was illegitimate of me to bring up someone as

>insignificant and unimportant as a United States Senator who

>leads all the polls among Democrats when asked whom they want

>to nominate as President. Silly me - sorry for being so

>frivolous when you were discussing something as important as

>the opinon of TV personalities.

A TV and radio personality who represents the views of mainstream Republicans. He's the number two personality behind Rx[/font size]ush. The fact that he appears with Ann Coulter suggests that he represents the lunatic fringe as well as the mainstream.

>No, imbecile. What you refer to as the "Collective" would

>never reference Hillary's opposition to gay marriage, because

>they AGREE with her on that issue. They - like your ilk - try

>to make Hillary out to be this stalward advocate of gay

>marriage, when her view on that subject is identical to George

>Bush's.

Again the point sails over your head. Why can't you ever discuss Republican shortcomings on their own lack of merit, or even disprove what is presented without resorting to the Collective's preprogrammed Clinton response?

>It's so hard for you to understand that people are capable of

>independent thought because there are few people on the planet

>who engage in it less than you do.

Sure there are. They're called Republicans. They listen to Rx[/font size]ushevery day to get their opinions or even Sean or Bill o'reilly. No need for thought with them around.

>No, imbecile.

And thanks for keeping the level of discourse at your usual level.

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

>A TV and radio personality who represents the views of

>mainstream Republicans.

that's odd... don't remember a vote on sean at the RNC. maybe he represents mainstream Republicans to YOU, but did you ever think about ASKING a Republican about it?

RE: Hillary Clinton on Gay Marriage

So is Sean then part of the lunatic fringe like Ann Coulter? His radio program is the second most listened to behind Rx[/font size]ush. Hannity and Colmes[/font size] is the number one rated show on Faux News. Seems to me that Republicans have already spoken.

RE: Hillary Clinton in Gay Marriage

My daddy loved me but I agree that Bill is pretty phony in his suckups. On the other hand, Reagan didn't suck up, he just let the AIDS epidemic spread until it became a global catastrophe. I would rather he at least sucked-up.

RE: Hillary Clinton in Gay Marriage

i believe the state law is split on trans-gendered changing sex for legal purposes such as marriage. earlier this year there was a case in kansas where the american civil liberties union took the side of the trans-gendered person. the facts were a man became a woman, married a man who knew of the change (no deception), the man dies with no will so his assets would normally pass to his "wife"; not so fast the man's children from a previous marriage said, there was no valid marriage so his assets go to his children. after all apeals were done, the marriage was held not valid because it was between two men (as i recall, the trans-gendered person got his/her birth certificate changed to "female" in whatever state he/she was born). so everyone was really interested in the money, not particularly the social issue.

RE: Hillary Clinton in Gay Marriage

Great post Lucky! IMO, Republicans have always been blatantly anti-gay, and that didn't start with the current administration. Once again, imo, Reagan's inaction on the AIDS epidemic in the early 80's was one of the sorriest performances by a sitting president in the entire history of the United States. It was justified, at the time, because it was mainly a "gay disease" and a "just punishment from God". Given his lack of compassion for gay men dying by the thousands, perhaps he deserves no compassion for getting Alzheimers?

Could it be said that his suffering is in turn a "just punishment from God"?

Horrible days, and about to become horrible again, given the increase in HIV infection every year, in the gay community.

IMO, Reagan deserves the utmost scorn, not praise and the just short of deification being inflicted upon us by a Republican dominated Congress!

Hope everyone is going to watch HBO's movie version of Angels in America, starting next week. It got great reviews and I'm definitely going to watch it. How wrong can you go with Al Pacino portraying Roy Cohn and with Meryl Streep and Emma Thompson playing multiple roles? Three of the best and most respected thespians of all time.

RE: Hillary Clinton in Gay Marriage

oh come on, that's nonsense. if you're going to blame reagan (the BEST president EVER!) then you need to pillory miterrand as well. oh wait, socialists get a pass. i understand.

RE: Hillary Clinton in Gay Marriage

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