The truth about Faux news: an ex FNCer speaks

Dear me, Oren, do you actually read the nonsense you write? I used to find you at least thoughtful and intelligent, but this latest one from you is pretty pathetic. It reads like the Zionist version of axebahia. And I can't get more offensive than that, I think.

>>The PM does not speak for the

>>majority of Australians in his foreign policy

>

>of COURSE he doesn't! how silly to assume that a duly elected

>prime minister would more speak for his country than the

>escort-hiring male australian version of carla del ponte! what

>were we thinking?!?!?

The duly elected PM has never put the Iraq war to the vote: he's never even asked Parliament for a vote on the issue! What's more, he's not going to do so any time soon, because he knows from his own polling as well as the public polls that the sentiment in the population is running around 2 to 1 against Australian involvement in Iraq.

I don't doubt that he speaks for the Australian Government. He is entitled to bind Australia to being involved in Iraq, because he is the head of the duly elected government and we don't have the safeguard that exists in the US Constitution about declarations of war being made by Congress. But he doesn't speak for the Australian people, who've never been consulted on the question. The polls make it clear that he is pursuing a policy on this issue that puts him at odds with a large majority of his people.

So no, Oren, it's not an escort-hiring version of carla del ponte who speaks for the Australian people: it's the majority of the people themselves!

>>9/11 happens also to be the

>>anniversary to the day of the coup that brought about the

>>overthrow of the Allende government in Chile in 1973.

>

>my chilean ex-boyfriend, who has been decidedly left in his

>politics since he's been here in the US, states EMPHATICALLY

>that the coup against allende was a necessary evil & that

>although his rule was brutal, pinochet saved his country. but

>why should i listen to a chilean on the matter when the

>australian del ponte who speaks for all of australia is

>holding forth?

>

Ah, so your Chilean ex-boyfriend can categorically speak for all Chileans, can he? Ever heard of the word "hypocrite"?

>>It is appropriate, then, to pause on 9/11 and remember the

>>thousands of innocent civilians who died in the New York and

>>Washington attacks - and ALSO pause to remember the

>thousands

>>of innocent civilians who died in the US-sponsored coup in

>>Chile.

>

>a small point, but, THOUSANDS of civilians did not die in the

>coup, but rather throughout the dictatorship that followed.

>let's don't forget, though, that le monde wasn't suggesting

>that we merely include thoughts of dead chileans when we pause

>to remember.

>

Actually, Oren, thousands did die in the coup itself, quite apart from the dictatorship that followed. It is a myth that the coup was bloodless.

>>One of the hardest things for any person to acknowledge is

>>that one's own country has done bad things as well as good.

>

>we don't seem to be unable to acknowledge it. what we're not

>willing to do is lay ourselves prostrate before the world and

>grovel for forgiveness.

>

Agreed. I'm not suggesting that America do that. Rather, I am suggesting the not unreasonable idea that we see our countries for what they really are. Like humans generally, they are flawed. They can posses the noblest of ideals and pursue the most brilliant of policies - and from time to time stray fairly significantly from the path of virtue. I'm proud of my country and what it has achieved, but I also acknowledge that there are black spots in our history that we should not forget. No grovelling, simply acknowledging the bad while glorying in the good.

>

>>And finally, like every country, you must always be

>conscious

>>of the way others see you.

>

>conscious yes, but to allow one's country to be guided

>solely--or even primarily--by such image is folly.

Agreed entirely. Where did I ever suggest that a country should be guided solely or even primarily by that? For example, I thinik Australia did the right thing 2 years ago in intervening in East Timor. We defended the right of the East Timorese to self determination and independence if that was their wish. But that single action did immense harm to our image in SE Asia, and in Indonesia in particular. We have to be very conscious of that, which perhaps explains why Australians are so pissed off with George Bush a week or two ago for calling us the Sheriff of Asia.

>>If you want to know why so many people in the Middle

>>East hate America, it's because that image tends to dominate

>>their understanding of America

>

>rubbish! it is because the US doesn't support the palestinian

>terrorists in their attempt to remove the only democracy from

>the region.

Oh, really, Oren, you can do better than that. Lots of countries don't support the Palestinian terrorists. But it's America that cops almost the whole of the hatred. Why is that? It's because people see the US as a swaggering arrogant bunch of ignorant rednecks who think Paris is in Texas and World War Two began in 1941. I personally think that image is wrong, because the US has done an enormous amount of good over the years in defending liberal democracy in many parts of the world, not least in World War Two itself. But while I think the image is wrong, I have no difficulty seeing where it comes from, and I sometimes despair of senior American leaders who should know better, such as that idiot general a few months back who thought the war in Iraq was a war between Christianity and Islam. That statement might have played well in Peoria, but it sure didn't play well in Damascus or Cairo.

>Dear me, Oren, do you actually read the nonsense you write?

nonsense only because you don't agree with it.

>this latest one from you is pretty pathetic.

thank you. we've come to identical opinions of each other. baruch haShem.

>The duly elected PM has never put the Iraq war to the vote:

when did i suggest he did?

>he's never even asked Parliament for a vote on the issue!

again, i've never claimed he did.

the fact remains, however, that AS PM, he has more right to claim to speak for the nation than you do. glad i could clear that up for you, carla.

>we

>don't have the safeguard that exists in the US Constitution

>about declarations of war being made by Congress.

congress hasn't declared war since WWII.

>But he

>doesn't speak for the Australian people

you, however, do?

>So no, Oren, it's not an escort-hiring version of carla del

>ponte who speaks for the Australian people: it's the majority

>of the people themselves!

when did you assume the mantle of spokesman for that illustrious majority?

>Ah, so your Chilean ex-boyfriend can categorically speak for

>all Chileans, can he? Ever heard of the word "hypocrite"?

not at all, but in weighing views on the matter, i'd tend to value that of a chilean higher than a french newspaper or an australian anything. you see... were i to weigh the views on australian involvement in iraq, the hierarchy would look something like this, from top down: the PM, you, my chilean ex. no hypocrisy at all... just logic and consistency. i see why you'd be confused with the two of those concepts in conjunction.

>Actually, Oren, thousands did die in the coup itself, quite

>apart from the dictatorship that followed. It is a myth that

>the coup was bloodless.

when did i say bloodless? i'll tell you: never. however, there were not thousands killed. have you any sources to back up your assertion? you're the one making the assertion, you should be the one to provide corroboration. i find it remarkable how you & axe both make groundless assertions, then refuse to provide sources for your claims.

>>rubbish! it is because the US doesn't support the

>palestinian

>>terrorists in their attempt to remove the only democracy

>from

>>the region.

>

>Oh, really, Oren, you can do better than that. Lots of

>countries don't support the Palestinian terrorists.

lots of countries aren't the united states, either.

>It's because people see the US as a swaggering arrogant

>bunch of ignorant rednecks who think Paris is in Texas and

>World War Two began in 1941.

again, he speaks for the world.

RE: Fag Followers of Barbra

>I love what Barbra Streisand . . . has to say:

That anyone can utter THIS phrase in public without feeling complete humiliation is truly astounding. That people cite HER -- whose IQ is definitely around (if not well under) the range of clinical retardation, and who gives new meaning to the notion of limosine liberal stupidity -- as some sort of political guru is as nauesating as it is frightening.

I know that, for whatever reasons, many gay men have this perverse, obsessive attraction to, and identification with, dysfunctional, screetching, insane singing females, but can't that perverse worship be confined to their "entertainment" talents. Is it now extending to these stupid whores' political views, too?

What's next, Rick - Bette Midler for Congress? Liza for Senate? College classes studying the Political Philosophies of Bette Davis?

Quoting Barbra Streisand on a political controversy as the most compelling opinion that sums up what you think is the Ultimate Truth of the topic should really scare you.

RE: CBS News lies about history

>Reagan also

>created record budget deficits, increased inequality and

>tripled the national debt.

She thinks it's bad that Reagan "increased inequality"?? How can this dumb cunt not sicken you on every level????

"Increased inequality?" You mean like people having big huge mansions in multiple cities in the country? You mean like people who are driven around everywhere they go in enormous limosines that eat up huge amounts of gasoline, or people who fly from coast to coast in a private jet that consumes hundreds of thousands of dollars of in fuel?

You mean like people who charge $500 for a single ticket for a concert? You mean like people who wear jewelry that costs more than the average family will earn in a lifetime?

This is the sick bitch who runs around talking about how much she hates inequality, and drooling worshippful faggots quote her without realizing the sickness and irony and hypocrisy in this. Fucking amazing.

The problem with accusations that the broadcast network news operations are "liberal" is that rightists are using a skewed definition of "liberal." They pretend that anyone who has liberal views on social issues is "liberal," even if the same person has conservative views on economic issues. Socially liberal, economically conservative probably describes many if not most of the people who work in journalism in America's largest cities and therefore describes the point of view of the major media outlets. But where are the media outlets that are liberal on social AND economic issues? Of the shows on business and the economy put out by the broadcast and cable networks, how many are hosted by or presented from the point of view of labor, rather than capital? The correct answer is: NONE, zero, nada.

How often does Lou Dobbs on CNN interview labor leaders as opposed to corporate leaders? CNBC's Kudlow and Cramer is supposedly hosted by a Republican and a Democrat to provide balance, but in fact both men have spent most of their careers working in the securities industry -- neither has ever been an advocate for workers and they seldom if ever have any guest on their show who has.

People who claim the broadcast networks are "liberal" need to explain why it is that these "liberal" networks almost always present the point of view of business, not labor. But they can't, so they always dodge the issue.

RE: Fag Followers of Barbra

Thanks, Doug; that was exactly the response I expected of you. You never disappoint. :*

>What's next, Rick - Bette Midler for Congress? Liza for

>Senate? College classes studying the Political Philosophies

>of Bette Davis?

No, what's next is Arnold Schwarzenegger, an actor with zero political experience, governing the largest state in the U.S. Funny (but not surprising) that you never had anything negative to say about that. :7

RE: CBS News lies about history

>You mean like people who charge $500 for a single ticket for a

>concert? You mean like people who wear jewelry that costs

>more than the average family will earn in a lifetime?

>

>This is the sick bitch who runs around talking about how much

>she hates inequality, and drooling worshippful faggots quote

>her without realizing the sickness and irony and hypocrisy in

>this. Fucking amazing.

She's given and continues to give away millions to charity, directly and through her Barbra Streisand Foundation, through which over $25,000,000 has been distributed or raised for charitable efforts. In the past, she donated a few of her homes and their furnishings completely to charity, and she just began a 1-3 year massive eBay auction of her personal effects and wardrobe, all of which will go to her foundation.

She's also being honored by the Human Rights Campaign with its Humanitarian Award next year: "Ms. Streisand is being recognized for her years of leadership, vision, and activism in the fight for civil liberties, including religion, race, gender equality and freedom of speech, as well as all aspects of gay rights.

"Ms. Streisand's support for the community over time has also included significant financial contributions to HRC as well as other GLBT organizations such as Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD), Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG), LAMBDA Legal Defense and Education Fund, and The Los Angeles Gay & Lesbian Center. Ms. Streisand has also contributed millions to the fight against HIV/AIDS both through her personal donations and her participation in fundraising events."

So, in answer to your question, yes, this is "the sick bitch who runs around talking about how much she hates inequality."

RE: CBS News lies about history

Ref Ms Streisand, she really takes the cake. A few years ago there was an antique show on the pier which had a preliminary showing at a charge of $250 at the time (in the late '80's) with the money going to the Henry Street Settlement and another preliminary showing a little later for $40. The reason for the preliminary showing was to allow the patrons to get a first shot at the merchandise. They showed up for the showing and who was touring the show but Ms Streisand and buying up all the good merchandise without giving any funds to the charity. Her excuse was that she was afraid that if she went through at the same time as the rest of the people she would be bothered by autograph hunters so she asked the manager of the show to take her through first. That is the woman who is so much in favor of equality - as long as it does not include her. The preliminary showing was limited to 50 people but she was afraid that this huge crowd of 50 people would bother her for her autograph. Yep - she is the greatest - not!!

All in favor of the common man as long as she is not involved with the common man herself. Typical of the limousine liberals.

RE: Fag Followers of Barbra

>That anyone can utter THIS phrase in public without feeling

>complete humiliation is truly astounding. That people cite

>HER -- whose IQ is definitely around (if not well under) the

>range of clinical retardation, and who gives new meaning to

>the notion of limosine liberal stupidity -- as some sort of

>political guru is as nauesating as it is frightening.

Considering that she is a self-made millionaire many times over, as well as the director of a critically acclaimed (and Oscar-nominated) film, I'd have to say that your screeching about her low level of intelligence looks to be based on nothing other than envy. Wouldn't you agree, Rick?

>What's next, Rick - Bette Midler for Congress? Liza for

>Senate? College classes studying the Political Philosophies

>of Bette Davis?

Is that any more far-fetched than Sonny and Mary Bono as (Republican) members of Congress? Sonny was at least a successful businessman and mayor before running; so far as I know, Mary's only claim to fame is that she was married to him when he died. Of Bette, Liza and Bette it can at least be said that they gained success through their own talents. That's more than can be said of Mary, or of George Bush either. If his father had never been on the 1980 ticket he would probably still be in the oil business in Midland.

>Quoting Barbra Streisand on a political controversy as the

>most compelling opinion that sums up what you think is the

>Ultimate Truth of the topic should really scare you.

If you could just explain to us why people should ignore the opinions of one of the most successful women in the history of the entertainment industry? If I recall correctly, before Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison went into politics her only business experience was in running a cookie company that went bankrupt. Does that seem to you a good reason to vote for someone? Really, your dishonesty and hypocrisy seem to be reaching new heights every day.

RE: CBS News lies about history

>All in favor of the common man as long as she is not involved

>with the common man herself. Typical of the limousine

>liberals.

About 18 months ago, this stupid loudmouth bitch put up some item on her website urging Americans to buy smaller, more fuel-efficient cars, citing the damage to the ozone layer and global warming as reasons why we all have the moral obligation to reduce our fossil fuel consumption.

A couple of days later, it was revealed that every time she flies from NYC to LA and back, which is multiple times a year, she charters a private jet. That private jet consumes about $225,000 in fuel on each leg - which means that this Self-Proclaimed Becaon of Conservation and Equality spends almost a half-million dollars in GASOLINE every time she takes her twat to LA, while at the same time, telling the commoners that they have a moral obligation to drive smaller cars.

What a sick whore she is - and the stupid dogs who follow her and drool every time she opens her diseased trap - who wilfully overlook this rankest of hypocrisy - should really be ashamed of themselves.

Barbra Streisand - Advocate of Equality and Conservation. Can you believe that there are actually human beings who have brains which receive blood from the heart who can say that with a straight face??

RE: Fag Followers of Barbra

Ahhhh. . . nothing like insulting a sick, self-absorbed, dysfunctional diva to get up the hackles of certain fags.

>Considering that she is a self-made millionaire many times

>over . . .

Yeah - that's one of the great things about our country. Really, really stupid people can still makes lots and lots of money. Ever heard an interview with Mike Tyson or Magic Johnson or Burt Reynolds? They're "self-made millionares," too - with a combined IQ equal to Taylorky's.

She has a nice singing voice. Lots of people bought her records and watched her movies and she made a lot of money as a result. Do you think that somehow precludes the fact that she's an incredibly stupid and painfully hypocritical whore?

> as well as the director of a critically acclaimed (and

>Oscar-nominated) film, I'd have to say that your screeching

>about her low level of intelligence looks to be based on

>nothing other than envy. Wouldn't you agree, Rick?

If you think that all successful entertainers are, for that reason alone, intelligent, then you're as dumb as she is.

>Is that any more far-fetched than Sonny and Mary Bono as

>(Republican) members of Congress? Sonny was at least a

>successful businessman and mayor before running; so far as I

>know, Mary's only claim to fame is that she was married to him

>when he died.

Yeah - Mary Bono is incredibly stupid, too. I don't see many conservatives running around following Mary Bono and citing her as their political guru and quoting her in whispered reverence on important matters of the day, the way I see you and Rick and other worshippful liberal fags doing with Barbra. People who need people really ARE the luckiest people, Woodlawn.

>If you could just explain to us why people should ignore the

>opinions of one of the most successful women in the history of

>the entertainment industry?

People shouldn't ignore the opinions of people just because they're in the entertainment business. They should ignore people's opinions who are incredibly stupid and/or hypocrtical. Other than administering her an IQ test, I can't prove to you that she is stupid. It's something you either see or you don't. The fact that you don't - in light of her liberalism (which shields her from your criticism) and your fagdom (which makes it highly likely that you will worship her) and your other traits - it's hardly a surprise that you don't.

And it's her hypocrisy as much as her stupidity that is relevant. Anyone who runs around urging other people to drive smaller cars to protect the ozone layer and avert global warming while chartering private jets everytime they fly to LA - or who laments the cruelty of economic inequalitiy while living in 5 mansions at once and driving around only in huge limosines - is someone who any decent and serious person would have nothing but scorn for. Which is why, as I say, it's so unsurprising that you love her.

RE: Fag Followers of Barbra

>Ahhhh. . . nothing like insulting a sick, self-absorbed,

>dysfunctional diva to get up the hackles of certain fags.

Once again, considering her long record of success in almost everything she's ever done, we can only conclude that it's jealousy that is making you call her the childish names we see above.

>>Considering that she is a self-made millionaire many times

>>over . . .

>Yeah - that's one of the great things about our country.

>Really, really stupid people can still makes lots and lots of

>money. Ever heard an interview with Mike Tyson or Magic

>Johnson or Burt Reynolds? They're "self-made millionares,"

>too - with a combined IQ equal to Taylorky's.

What is really stupid is your stupid assumption that people who aren't articlulate are necessarily stupid.

One of the great things about our country is that success is largely determined by markets. Because people are free to purchase what they wish and turn down what they wish, those who have talents and abilities for which large numbers of people are willing to pay can earn a lot of money.

Of course, success in the entertainment industry, and certainly success over a period of decades, which comes to only a tiny number of people, requires more than talent. It takes a shrewd judgment for an entertainer of any sort to turn popularity into longevity. Streisand obviously has it. If it were merely a matter of getting the right agent or manager, lots of people would do it, but lots of people don't. She's one of the few. I've never really admired her singing or her acting, but I do admire her business judgment. If her success makes a never-was like you grind your teeth in envy, so much the better.

>She has a nice singing voice. Lots of people bought her

>records and watched her movies and she made a lot of money as

>a result. Do you think that somehow precludes the fact that

>she's an incredibly stupid and painfully hypocritical whore?

I suppose you are too much of a fool to understand just how difficult it is for an entertainer to make an initial burst of popularity last for decades. Somehow that does not surprise me.

>If you think that all successful entertainers are, for that

>reason alone, intelligent, then you're as dumb as she is.

Even a stupid old fart like you can probably count how many successful pop singers are able to become movie stars and to maintain their careers from their twenties into their fifties. Not too many.

>Yeah - Mary Bono is incredibly stupid, too. I don't see many

>conservatives running around following Mary Bono and citing

>her as their political guru

That's probably because she never has anything to say. Can you remember anything she's said recently? Try it.

>Other than administering her an IQ test, I can't

>prove to you that she is stupid.

No, but you CAN prove to me that YOU are stupid, and you've already done so many times. Does Streisand make comments about politics that sometimes sound weird or silly? Sure. They're nothing compared to some of the things Henry Ford used to say, however. Both are examples of people who have shown themselves to be quite brilliant in one area of endeavor and who have a penchant for shooting their mouths off in other areas in which they do not have quite the same expertise. But saying that they are stupid on that account shows just how paltry and shallow your own intellect is. Not that we had not noticed that already, of course.

>oh, and by the way, we don't need the US to protect us. we've

>never asked the US to fight for us. we value the US as an

>ally. we understand the great balancing rols of the US in the

>UN in regards to us. be we're more than capable of defending

>ourselves. just ask all the arabs whose asses we've kicked.

Sorry Ethan, even Kissinger now admits that when Israel was getting the shit kicked out of it in 1973 and was on the verge of being relegated back to the Old Testament, it was the threat of the use of U.S. tactical nuclear weapons that changed the batlefield conditions when the Arabs waited for the Soviet response.

Remove the U.S. support for Israel, and you are finished. Do you think we have forgotten how frightened you folks get by a few scud missiles from Iraq and outdated misiles from Hezbollah? If you are so damned confident, why don't you accept military parity and let the best man win? With all your high-priced U.S. military equipment, you have yet to subdue the Palestinian national movement, and never will. That seems more like weakness than strength to me.

RE: Fag Followers of Barbra

>Once again, considering her long record of success in almost

>everything she's ever done, we can only conclude that it's

>jealousy that is making you call her the childish names we see

>above.

Have I told you lately how dreadfully boring you are? Do you think you can try to refrain from answering at least one of my posts? Try to contain your obsession with me - just so I can enjoy a brief respite from your putrid odor.

>Of course, success in the entertainment industry, and

>certainly success over a period of decades, which comes to

>only a tiny number of people, requires more than talent. It

>takes a shrewd judgment for an entertainer of any sort to turn

>popularity into longevity. Streisand obviously has it.

Wow - so you do think that it's impossible, by definition, for any successful athlete or entertainer to be stupid. The more exposure I have to your "thoughts," the more relieved I am that I infuriate you to the point of obsession.

>Even a stupid old fart like you . . .

Any amount of money that you want to bet that I am younger than you - I will take the bet without any conditions.

>>Yeah - Mary Bono is incredibly stupid, too. I don't see

>many

>>conservatives running around following Mary Bono and citing

>>her as their political guru

>

>That's probably because she never has anything to say. Can

>you remember anything she's said recently? Try it.

The fact that you remember something that someone has said doesn't mean that what they've said is smart. I remember lots of things that taylorky has said - and that Barbra has said - and that you have said. Sometimes you remember what someone has said becasue it's so stupid that it's memorable.

Does Streisand make comments

>about politics that sometimes sound weird or silly? Sure.

>They're nothing compared to some of the things Henry Ford used

>to say, however. Both are examples of people who have shown

>themselves to be quite brilliant in one area of endeavor and

>who have a penchant for shooting their mouths off in other

>areas in which they do not have quite the same expertise.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

You're THAT MUCH of a perverse diva-worshipping faggot that you actually compare Henry Ford to this stupid worthless loudmouth self-absorbed imbecile twat????

Next you're going to compare Judy Garland and Nietzsche - and then, after that, Bette Davis and Freud - and then, you can tell us all the things which Joan Crawford and Einstein have in common.

Barbra Streisand and Henry Ford - both genuises.

God, what a dumb, pathetic, faggot cliche you are.

RE: Fag Followers of Barbra

>Have I told you lately how dreadfully boring you are? Do you

>think you can try to refrain from answering at least one of my

>posts? Try to contain your obsession with me - just so I can

>enjoy a brief respite from your putrid odor.

Dougie:

I don't always agree with Woodlawn, but I can say that he's never boring. You, on the other hand, are incessantly so. Actually, you're more ignorant than boring, but the two seem to go hand in hand, at least in your case. Why wouldn't Woodlawn respond to your moronic diatribes? I'm really glad you post here, because it's a hoot to see your stupidity on public display, something you have in common with Dubya. Fortunately, you're just a powerless, angry little piss ant who is in no position to do any real harm.

Ann Coulter's Twin Sister

The interesting thing about what Doug/TT posts is that you can learn so much about him through what he says about others:

"a sick, self-absorbed, dysfunctional diva "

"an incredibly stupid and painfully hypocritical whore?"

"And it's her hypocrisy as much as her stupidity that is relevant."

"They should ignore people's opinions who are incredibly stupid and/or hypocrtical. "

"God, what a dumb, pathetic, faggot cliche you are"

Someone doesn't like himself very much, does he?

you constantly spout these preoposterous "blah blah blah, which even moshe rabbeinu now admits, blah blah blah" formletter assertions.

remove US support and we've still got 200 nuclear weapons. just be glad we prefer "never again" to your "never forgive, never forget"!

RE: Fag Followers of Barbra

i'm just glad someone dislikes ms. streisand as much as i do!

who really thinks comparing her to ford is doing her a favour, though?

>you constantly spout these preoposterous "blah blah blah,

>which even moshe rabbeinu now admits, blah blah blah"

>formletter assertions.

So are you saying that Moshe Dayan in his memoirs did not admit that Israel started the 1967 War?

Are you saying that Kissinger has not admitted the nuclear threat in the 1973 War when Israrel was losing to its Arab neighbors?

i said moshe rabbeinu, not moshe dayan.

i haven't said anything about kissinger. israel wasn't defeated. the US may have flexed some muscle, but has never fought for us. she doesn't need to.

let's face it... you're just bitter because you people have lost every war you've fought with us.

unless you've something NEW to add, this particular conversation has ended.

>i said moshe rabbeinu, not moshe dayan.

Who the fuck is rabbeinu? You said I cited him. When and where did I do so.

>i haven't said anything about kissinger. israel wasn't

>defeated. the US may have flexed some muscle, but has never

>fought for us. she doesn't need to.

So if Kissinger says you were toast in 1973 without his nuclear threat, he would be wrong? And if you think the U.S. arms supply is of no assistance to you, why not give it up and have a fair fight? What are you afraid of? Oh, and well as I said before tell me how many jews have died in the Iraq war. It seems to me that is ample proof that Dr. Mahatir is right, you people get other pepole to fight your wars by proxy.

Fox and Schwing!

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2702344.1467896560!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/ailes8f-3-web.jpg

Gretchen Carlson, a former Fox News Channel host, said Wednesday she was fired by the conservative-leaning cable news network and has filed a sexual harassment lawsuit against its chairman and CEO, Roger Ailes.

In a statement released through a public relations firm, Carlson, best known for co-hosting “Fox & Friends” until 2013, said she “refused to sleep” with Ailes and “reported disparaging treatment in the newsroom,” including what she said was a "sexist and condescending" way her co-host, Steve Doocy, dealt with her.

Carlson left on June 23 when her contract expired. Her program, “The Real Story with Gretchen Carlson,” was the leading cable news show in its afternoon time slot, she claimed.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/07/06/gretchen-carlson-files-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-against-foxs-roger-ailes/86752408/

She's aging and showing it. I suspect in most cases (Goddess Maddow aside) when you're 40ish and getting older the door isn't far behind for these blonde bombshells!

Peace,

Kipp

More Fake News!

A man described as a Swedish defense and national security adviser appeared on Fox News last week to defend President Trump’s claim that criminal immigrants are wreaking havoc in Sweden. But according to court records and Swedish officials, the man, identified as Nils Bildt, has a criminal record in the United States and no ties to Sweden’s security establishment.

In fact, he may not even be named Nils Bildt.

“We don’t know this guy,” said Mikael Abramsson, a spokesman for the Swedish military. “We have never heard of him in the Swedish armed forces, and he cannot speak on our behalf.”

That sentiment was echoed by Rasmus Eljanskog, a spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who said no one by the name of Nils Bildt worked there. Magnus Ranstorp, the head of terrorism research at the Swedish Defense University in Stockholm, went one step further. “There isn’t any Nils Bildt,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/26/world/europe/sweden-fraud-fox-news-commentator-trump.html

More Fake News!

A man described as a Swedish defense and national security adviser appeared on Fox News last week to defend President Trump’s claim that criminal immigrants are wreaking havoc in Sweden. But according to court records and Swedish officials, the man, identified as Nils Bildt, has a criminal record in the United States and no ties to Sweden’s security establishment.

 

In fact, he may not even be named Nils Bildt.

 

“We don’t know this guy,” said Mikael Abramsson, a spokesman for the Swedish military. “We have never heard of him in the Swedish armed forces, and he cannot speak on our behalf.”

 

That sentiment was echoed by Rasmus Eljanskog, a spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who said no one by the name of Nils Bildt worked there. Magnus Ranstorp, the head of terrorism research at the Swedish Defense University in Stockholm, went one step further. “There isn’t any Nils Bildt,” he said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/26/world/europe/sweden-fraud-fox-news-commentator-trump.html

Would love to hear from Mr. Clown and his conservative brethren explain this one.