Why People Hate Bush

A column by Michael Kinsley in today's Washington Post explains why he -- as well as a number of other people -- don't just disagree with Bush but also dislike him personally. As Kinsley accurately points out, Bush's stem cell research decision, which he portrayed to the public as the result of much study and soul-searching, was nothing but bullshit. Among other pertinent facts is the fact that more human embryos are destroyed in the course of fertility procedures for women than in stem cell research, and yet Bush has not only not opposed such treatments but praised them. It's a pity that Bush has turned out to be such a liar and hypocrite.

Oh, the stem cell decision. THAT"S why people hate Bush? Thanks for clearing that up woodie!

>Oh, the stem cell decision. THAT"S why people hate Bush?

>Thanks for clearing that up woodie!

Lucky, that idea might sound weird to you, but Michael Kinsley said it was true, so it must be - just like Eric Alterman and Al Franken said that the media had a conservative bias and used numbers to say it, so that must be true, too.

These are High Priests of Insight and Neo-Talmudic Truth whom Woodlawn reads and quotes religiously, dovenning against a wall. They are not to be questioned or challenged. If they say it, it is true. You needn't understand why; it's good enough that they say it.

Get it now?

>Lucky, that idea might sound weird to you, but Michael Kinsley

>said it was true, so it must be - just like Eric Alterman and

>Al Franken said that the media had a conservative bias and

>used numbers to say it, so that must be true, too.

>These are High Priests of Insight and Neo-Talmudic Truth whom

>Woodlawn reads and quotes religiously,

Thanks for smearing more crap on the board. We really didn't have enough.

You don't know this, because you're too lazy to get off your fat behind and read it, but Kinsley's article refers to specific published research on stem cells that casts doubt on one of the key "facts" Bush cited in making his decision -- that adult stem cells may prove just as useful in this type of research as cells from embryos. Apparently, all the Republicans who defended Bush's decision on that basis didn't know what the fuck they were talking about. How unusual.

Of course his point about fertility treatments is correct as well. Look it up yourself, moron. If you know how.

Kinsley has a good reason for following the latest research in this area that transcends the political -- he has Parkinson's, one of the illnesses for which stem cell research offers some hope. You didn't know that either, shithead. It makes nonsense of your implication that he is just a partisan gunslinger in this matter.

Kinsley's is simply one of many examples of this; the longer Bush is in office the more evident it becomes that his habit of using his values and beliefs to justify his decisions is just a smokescreen for the rawest kind of political pandering. That is what so many of us find so unpleasant about him. That, and the fact that while Clinton lied about his personal life, Bush lies about policies that bring hardship and death to large numbers of people.

>You don't know this, because you're too lazy to get off your

>fat behind and read it, but Kinsley's article refers to

>specific published research on stem cells that casts doubt on

>one of the key "facts" Bush cited in making his decision --

>that adult stem cells may prove just as useful in this type of

>research as cells from embryos.

I read the article before I saw your post. It was linked on Eric Alterman's blog under "Quote of the Day." You probably got it there, too - your Wailing Wall of Liberal Prayer.

Apparently, all the

>Republicans who defended Bush's decision on that basis didn't

>know what the fuck they were talking about. How unusual.

There was debate in the medical community at the time of this decision about whether adult stem cells are just as useful as embroys. Many scientists said they were; some said embryos add marginal value; some said they added significant value. Nothing has changed.

>Kinsley has a good reason for following the latest research in

>this area that transcends the political -- he has Parkinson's,

>one of the illnesses for which stem cell research offers some

>hope. You didn't know that either, shithead. It makes

>nonsense of your implication that he is just a partisan

>gunslinger in this matter.

I know that being unaware of each medical condition of your liberal-rabbi-gurus would be a great sin, but unfortunately, I did know about this loudmouth's sickness. The fact that he has a disease doesn't give him any wisdom. Lots of people with currently incurable diseases supported Bush's decision. So what?

>

>Kinsley's is simply one of many examples of this; the longer

>Bush is in office the more evident it becomes that his habit

>of using his values and beliefs to justify his decisions is

>just a smokescreen for the rawest kind of political pandering.

This is stupid. Why else would he be against stem cell research other than due to his values - namely, his religious values. I think the ban is stupid because I don't share his religious values. But how can you doubt that this is what is motivating Bush's position on this issue? What do you think motivates it - that he wants to prevent cures from being found becasue he wants kids with diseases to die?

Doug69 (who delights in the inadequacies of Down's Syndrome children:

Don't fuck with Woodlawn.............you're way out of your league.

And tell us, please, the source of your crypto-fascist drivel, since your drug-addicted god Rush is busy with rehab these days.

Social Darwinist that he is, Bush probably wants children to die, especially the "weak" ones that are diseased. Save the fetuses, but to hell with them after they start breathing air outside the womb. After your crude, insensitive remarks about Down's Syndrome children, it's probably reasonable to surmise that you'd be in sympathy with such perverse thinking.

People don't hate Bush. Only liberals do.

RE: Why People Hate Bush? The top 1o lies so far..

10. "I have been very candid about my past."

9. "I’m a uniter not a divider."

8. "My [tax] plan unlocks the door to the middle class of millions of hard-working Americans."

7. "This allows us to explore the promise and potential of stem cell research."

6. "We must uncover every detail and learn every lesson of September the 11th."

5. "[We are] taking every possible step to protect our country from danger."

4. "I first got to know Ken [Lay in 1994]."

3. "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." And, "[saddam Hussein is] a threat because he is dealing with al Qaeda."

2. "We found the weapons of mass destruction."

1. "It’s time to restore honor and dignity to the White House."

and lest we forget: http://images.ucomics.com/comics/tmate/2003/tmate031023.gif

RE: Why People Hate Bush? The top 1o lies so far..

from whom did you plagiarise that list?

Woodlawn, there was a related article in last Sunday's Washington Post, about how media "Bush-hating" is coming out of the closet:

"Mainstream journalism, with its traditional parameters, has somehow failed to connect with the notion that there are lots of Americans who walk around sputtering about Dubya -- despite fairly healthy approval ratings for a third-year incumbent. The press was filled with stories about Clinton-haters, but Bush-hating is either more restrained or more out of control, depending on who's keeping score."

Here's the full story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46805-2003Oct18_3.html

RE: Why People Hate Bush? The top 1o lies so far..

The list is all over the web, Ethan, but one of the places it can be found is: http://www.bushlies.com/

Oh, and check this out, too: http://dean2004.bmgbiz.net/defeatbush.html

Shouldn't that be Re-Defeat Bush 2004? I keep hoping President Gore will run for re-election.

so if you don't like the fact that bush won the most electoral votes, but not the most popular votes, why aren't you clammoring to change the electoral system?

Ethan, sweetie, I've always been in favor of abolishing the electoral college. It allowed Bush and his brother Jeb to put things in motion to steal the election from Gore. And yes, I've written my Congressman

RE: Why People Hate Bush? The top 1o lies so far..

oh, so this is another example of you using other people's thoughts, words, and intellectual property without properly acknowledging the source until you're called on it?

to borrow from you in another thread: be a man about it & admit it... the clock is ticking. (don't worry, i shall not become a raving, shrill paranoid-schizophrenic like you.)

RE: Why People Hate Bush? The top 1o lies so far..

You're so cute when you're stupid That's why you're always cute I never claimed this was mine, hence the quotes. I've been very careful to include sources when needed. In this case, I posted the cartoon and forgot about the link to BUSHLIES.COM

This still doesn't change the fact that you're Ethan

nick, sweetie (just because i can)....

if bush led by 530-odd votes in florida, and the florida electoral votes were cast in accordance with the laws of both the nation and the state, how was anything stolen? if someone outbids you on ebay, have they stolen something from you?

RE: Why People Hate Bush? The top 1o lies so far..

how often you forget.

Jeb and Katherine Harris illegally disenfranchised thousands of black voters by listing them as criminals and thus ineligble to vote. Had everyone been allowed to vote that was legally allowed to, and had the Supreme Court not intervened with a party line decision, Al Gore would have been sworn in.

and you'll be sore over it until the end of your days (which, given your paranoia and shrillness, should be delightfully soon).

In the meantime, who are you picking to verify the message in my inbox that proves you're Ethan? Lucky, Bucky, Rick, duke37 or axe? Maybe someone else neutral? Tick Tick Tick Tick

>so if you don't like the fact that bush won the most

>electoral votes, but not the most popular votes, why aren't

>you clammoring to change the electoral system?

Personally, I'm not sure the electoral college is a bad idea.

What I am sure of is that Bush didn't rightly get the most votes in the electoral college system either. The things that were done to get minorities off the rolls were monstrous and should be notorious. Harris belongs in 'the Big House', not 'the House'. Then there were the random roadblocks in the poor neighborhoods, and best yet, police to forcibly turn away 'lil old black ladies with the same last name as a felon who once lived in her apartment building.

But the new machines by the likes of Diebold will fix all that, the Republicans will simply always win! ;(

>why aren't

>you clammoring to change the electoral system?

What we need to do is change the voting system. After 2000, Congress rushed through the Help America Vote Act (HAVA), which mandates voting reform by way of electronic voting machines, but doesn't require a voter-verifiable paper trail. In other words, you can press the button on the touch-screen for your candidate of choice, but you have no way to know if the computer actually recorded your vote, or if the chip was somehow altered so that a vote for candidate 'A' registers as a vote for candidate 'B.' The machines have been proven in tests to be easily hacked. And...the top manufacturers of these machines are major Republican Party contributors (and the CEO of Diebold, the #2 and growing manufacturer, recently promised to "deliver" his state to Bush).

We need to get HR2239 passed. This is the Voter Confidence and Increased Accessibility Act, introduced into the House earlier this year, and it would guarantee that each voter gets a paper receipt that they can physically examine (just like when you use an ATM) and then slip into a lock box. The receipts would be used in case a recount is needed. The way the current system works, recounts are impossible.

This is a nonpartisan issue. Whether you're Democrat or Republican or whatever, you should be aware of this problem, and contact your representatives.

A good resource: http://www.angelfire.com/biz7/moneygarten/

HR 2239

i'm with you on the bill, rick.

it isn't a partisan issue. while the latest generation voting machines are great technologically, they don't have the safeguards so important to free & fair elections.

sheets of paper marked with pencil folded into a box to be counted manually would be better than completely electronic voting.