Capt. taylor, hiding under the table

Since "taylor" seems to think that someone who doesn't fight in combat as part of a war they support is a "coward," and since "taylor" is one of the few people on the Board who claims to be in the age group sought by the military, I was wondering whether "taylor" would answer this question:

How come you didn't enlist in the military in order to fight the war against the Al-Qaeda-harboring Taliban in Afghanistan, rather than sending other people YOUR AGE to die for you instead?

Polls showed that 85-90% of Americans supported the war in Aghanistan, and yet, far less than 1% of Americans fought in that war. By taylor's "reasoning," this would make virtually every American - including taylor - a coward and a pussy.

One other thing: Bill Clinton, a draft dodger who never served, deployed people to war zones - in Somolia and the Balkans, to name a few. How come you people who are saying that it's "cowardly" to send someone to war if you yourself didn't serve weren't saying that then??

>How come you didn't enlist in the military in order to

>fight the war against the Al-Qaeda-harboring Taliban in

>Afghanistan, rather than sending other people YOUR AGE to die

>for you instead?

it's an exercise in futility...attempting to have a rational reasoned debate with someone as disingenous as you...but what the hell!!

i am not sending anyone-anywhere to do anything for me; i don't think you will find anything i have posted that would lead a rational person to believe i have.

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>Polls showed that 85-90% of Americans supported the war in

>Aghanistan, and yet, far less than 1% of Americans fought in

>that war. By taylor's "reasoning," this would make virtually

>every American - including taylor - a coward and a pussy.

LOL where oh where did you find anything that would indicate to a rational person that i am one of "your" assumed 85-90%

>One other thing: Bill Clinton, a draft dodger who never

>served, deployed people to war zones - in Somolia and the

>Balkans, to name a few. How come you people who are saying

>that it's "cowardly" to send someone to war if you yourself

>didn't serve weren't saying that then??

president clinton was opposed to the war in vietnam,he did not want to go,he did not want anyone else to go; unlike shrub the great who has never seen a war he didn't love...as long as he didn't have to place himself in danger.

now tell us private doug...you a supporter of war has served when and where.

RE: Auntie Doug, hiding under the rock

Bush and Cheney each have two daughtrers. How many of them have served in the military?

There is room under the table for you Doug

>Polls showed that 85-90% of Americans supported the war in

>Aghanistan, and yet, far less than 1% of Americans fought in

>that war.

Being from New York, I know several guys who joined specifically to avenge 9/11… guess what - they’re not in Afghanistan, but in Iraq fighting in Bush’s folly.

And where is OBL? If 10% of the troops currently fighting and dying in Iraq were hunting OBL maybe that scumbag could be caught and the 3000+ Americans murdered on 9/11 would be avenged.

>One other thing: Bill Clinton, a draft dodger ...

You seem to get quite upset when people misstate the facts…it would be nice if YOU could get the facts correct. The only thing Clinton ever dodged was probably a vase thrown at him by Hillary. By the luck of the draw, Clinton drew a very high draft number and therefore was never called up. He did not use family connections to DODGE the draft and avoid Vietnam by going into the National Guard.

It is interesting that the children of so many prominent families (Bush, Quayle etc) served in the Guard when there WAS a draft and the Guard WASN'T being sent to war. Yet now when there ISN'T a draft and the Guard IS being sent to war, not many Bushes Quayles etc are in the Guard. The Guard’s ranks are mainly made up lower & working-class men and women who joined to help/assist in local disasters and make a few extra bucks by working one weekend a month. These men and women are now serving one year tours in Iraq (I believe approx 40% of US forces in Iraq are Guard/Reserve).

Bush et al are cowards plain & simple.

- Fisher

I was in Desert Storm, served 10-years active duty, and (although it has nothing to with this thread) sucked some hard marine cock and fucked some sweet marine ass }(

>i am not sending anyone-anywhere to do anything for me; i

>don't think you will find anything i have posted that would

>lead a rational person to believe i have.

So answer the question, then: did you support the U.S. war in Afghanistan, or did you believe that the Taliban should have been permitted to continue to allow their country to serve as an Al Qaeda training ground?

And since 85-90% of Americans supported the war in Afghanistan, but most of them did not fight in Afghanistan, doesn't that make 85% of Americans (who supported that war but didn't fight in it) pussies and cowards?

>>Polls showed that 85-90% of Americans supported the war in

>>Aghanistan, and yet, far less than 1% of Americans fought in

>>that war. By taylor's "reasoning," this would make

>virtually

>>every American - including taylor - a coward and a pussy.

>

>

>LOL where oh where did you find anything that would indicate

>to a rational person that i am one of "your" assumed 85-90%

Most liberals supported the war in Afghanistan, including scores of liberal Senators and Congressmen who supported the war (and including several liberals who post on this Board) even though they never served in the military and didn't volunteer to fight in Afghanistan. By your "rationale," aren't such people - who support wars that they themselves don't fight in - pussies and cowards?

>president clinton was opposed to the war in vietnam,he did not

>want to go,he did not want anyone else to go;

But Clinton supported the war in the Balkans and sent people to die in Somalia even though he himself never served in the military. How is that any different than Bush - who, by the way DID serve in the military - sending solidiers to combat?

Why is it OK for Clinton to have sent soliders to die in combat, but not for Bush to have done so?

RE: There is room under the table for you Doug

>>Polls showed that 85-90% of Americans supported the war in

>>Aghanistan, and yet, far less than 1% of Americans fought in

>>that war.

>

>Being from New York, I know several guys who joined

>specifically to avenge 9/11… guess what - they’re not in

>Afghanistan, but in Iraq fighting in Bush’s folly.

Guess what? When you VOLUNTEER to join the military, you don't get to pick and choose where you are deployed.

Guess what? You can call the war in Iraq "Bush's folly" all you want, but the democratically elected Congress voted to authorize him to commence the war, including the two individuals whom the Democrats nominated as their national candidates in the last election.

>And where is OBL? If 10% of the troops currently fighting and

>dying in Iraq were hunting OBL maybe that scumbag could be

>caught and the 3000+ Americans murdered on 9/11 would be

>avenged.

The hallmark of a complete idiot is a person who thinks that that exclusive - or even primary - objective of the war against Muslim fanatics is to capture Osama bin Laden.

Your brain is drowning in a few too many James Bond movies. In the real world, capturing one guy doesn't end a worldwide terrorist network against the West.

But who really cares if you live in a delusion. People like you are powerless and are becoming increasingly more powerless by the day. Thankfully.

>Bush et al are cowards plain & simple.

So Bush, who served in the National Guard, is a "coward," plain and simple," but Clinton, who severd no military duties ever, wasn't a coward, even as people his age went of and died in Vietnam, because . . . why again?

RE: Auntie Doug, hiding under the rock

>Bush and Cheney each have two daughtrers. How many of them

>have served in the military?

John Kerry and John Edwards both supported the war in Iraq. They also supported the war in Afghanistan.

They each have several adult children. How many of them have served in the military?

RE: There is room under the table for you Doug

>

>The hallmark of a complete idiot is a person who thinks that

>that exclusive - or even primary - objective of the war

>against Muslim fanatics is to capture Osama bin Laden.

>

>Your brain is drowning in a few too many James Bond movies.

>In the real world, capturing one guy doesn't end a worldwide

>terrorist network against the West.

>

i've always thought you to be a harmless fool,someone to poke with a stick and get a laugh.

but this post shows what a disgusting vile thing you are, fisher is a combat vet.and you an insignificant antisocial little troll insult him by suggesting he does not live "in the real world" and that he is "a complete idiot"

i would suggest to you that life and death combat is a "real world" you could not function in.

(forgive me for this lucky)>>>>>tell us doug what you did in the war,or hell what branch of military service you served in.

tsk tsk tsk Douglas

Douglas, Douglas, Douglas, you use to be such a stickler for details… for the facts, but

Now it seems that you just rant and rave and make misstatements. Please sit down, take a deep breath, calmly read these posts, ponder over them a bit and THEN make your comments. Diarrhea of the keyboard is almost as bad as diarrhea of the mouth.

>>>Polls showed that 85-90% of Americans supported the war in

>>>Aghanistan, and yet, far less than 1% of Americans fought in

>>>that war.

>

>>Being from New York, I know several guys who joined

>>specifically to avenge 9/11… guess what - they’re not in

>>Afghanistan, but in Iraq fighting in Bush’s folly.

>Guess what? When you VOLUNTEER to join the military,

>you don't get to pick and choose where you are deployed

I’m sure your knowledge of the military is based on your long, honorable career; however, I never stated that you get to choose where you are deployed (unless you are a Bush and you get Montgomery instead of the Mekong Delta). I was simply responding to your question to Taylorky.

>How come you didn't enlist in the military in order to fight

>the war against the Al-Qaeda-harboring Taliban in Afghanistan,

>rather than sending other people YOUR >AGE to die for you instead?

Perhaps you didn’t understand what I was saying…I’ll try to make it simpler so perhaps even you can understand: Anyone who joined the military to fight the terrorists that attacked us on 9/11 (Al-Qaeda, and their Taiban supporters) as you suggested Taylorky should do, would more than likely find themselves fighting in Iraq against an enemy that had nothing to do with 9/11, Al-Qaeda, terrorism, or any potential threat against the U.S. Bush used 9/11 to test the hairbrained ideas of the neocons and to go after Saddam because he tried to kill daddy.

You also said:

>Guess what? You can call the war in Iraq "Bush's folly" all you

>want, but the democratically elected Congress voted to authorize

>him to commence the war, including the two individuals whom the

>Democrats nominated as their national candidates in the last election.

I never absolved Congress of their responsibility in going to war. Actually their lack of debate on this issue was a disgrace and a total abdication of their position. That was one of the lowest point in Congress in 20-years. Bush, however, is the President, the Commander-in-Chief; he ultimately is the one responsible.

I call the war in Iraq is “Bush’s Folly” not because we went to war (a case could be made for going into Iraq - I think it was a mistake - rational people could disagree) but because, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield, etc completely and totally fucked it up.

- Not enough troops

- No plan to protect and run the country after its fall

- Allowing massive looting

- Allowing the Iraqi military to dissolve (could have been used to secure & protect the country)

- Not securing the massive amounts of conventional arms found (arms that are now being used to kill our troops)

- Totally alienating nearly every single ally we have

- Allow banditry to rule

- Sending our troops without proper protection

- No exit strategy

>>And where is OBL? If 10% of the troops currently fighting and

>>dying in Iraq were hunting OBL maybe that scumbag could be

>>caught and the 3000+ Americans murdered on 9/11 would be

>>avenged.

>The hallmark of a complete idiot is a person who thinks that that

>exclusive - or even primary - objective of the war against Muslim

>fanatics is to capture Osama bin Laden.

Sticks & stones Douglas…I guess if you can’t make a valid argument switch to name calling (sort of like what Bush et al did to war heroes McCain, Cleland, and Kerry)

First of all I never said the capture of OBL was the exclusive or even primary objective; however, OBL is a mass murderer. He is primarily responsible for the horrific deaths of over 3000 people. He needs to be caught; nonetheless, I agree that his capture would not be the end all … although I wouldn’t be surprised if Bush would say “Mission accomplished” again.

Secondly, creating thousands and thousands additional Muslim fanatics and changing their training camps from small isolated mountain areas to large urban settings does not seem to be the best way to fight them.

>Your brain is drowning in a few too many James Bond movies. In the

>real world, capturing one guy doesn't end a worldwide terrorist

>network against the West.

Actually I don’t really like James Bond movies; moreover I have some experience in this field ... I know the reality of it.

>But who really cares if you live in a delusion. People like you are

>powerless and are >becoming increasingly more powerless by the day. >Thankfully

We’re winning this war! Our troops will be home soon! The terrorist are defeated! The Islamic world loves us! The economy is booming! The deficit is gone! The dollar is rising against the Euro! We have all of are civil rights and liberties! … wait maybe I am delusional.

>>Bush et al are cowards plain & simple.

>So Bush, who served in the National Guard, is a "coward," plain and

>simple," but Clinton, who severd no military duties ever, wasn't a >coward, even as people his age went of and died in Vietnam,

>because . . . why again?

Lack of service in the military does not make one a coward (although still waiting for your credentials)

Clinton is not a coward because:

1. He did not do anything to avoid the draft – he lucked out.

2. He did not go around promoting the war he avoided.

3. As president he did not go prancing around like a tin soldier.

Bush is coward because:

1. He actively avoided Vietnam (i.e. Dodged the draft) A little history Douglas. During the Vietnam War, it was extremely difficult to get in to the Guard – you had to have connections. Sons of politicians and their friends/patrons had no problems getting in to the Guard …and thus avoiding the draft …and thus avoiding Vietnam. As did other wealthy and upper middle class boys (ie Cheney) avoid service through deferments thus leaving the bulk of fighting in Vietnam to the sons of minorities, the working class, and the working poor. Just like now where its the urban and rural working class and working poor that is serving in Iraq.

2. He is dishonest. If he stated he joined the Guard to avoid Vietnam- I would respect that; however he pretends that his spotty Guard service is equivalent as the service of those who went to Vietnam.

3. He went around promoting the Vietnam, yet he did not have the courage of his convictions to actual serve.

4. His jingoistic warmongering tendencies. “Bring it on!” He has no problem sending our troops (ill equipped and overworked) into harms way as long as his family is safe … Jenna, Barb, and George P aren’t be blown up on the highways and byways of Iraq.

Well Douglas – you tried (rather poorly) to answer/comment on my post, but you still didn’t answer the question from Lucky’s post

>now tell us private doug...you a supporter of war has served when and where.

- Fisher

Thanks Fisher

"I was in Desert Storm, served 10-years active duty"

- Fisher

Thank you Fisher for what you did for me...seriously

BTW the cock sucking was just one of the few perks of the job...sounds real cool though :-)

RE: Thanks Fisher

You’re quite welcome Novice. (By the way thanks again for steering me

to PRMiguel)

>BTW the cock sucking was just one of the few perks of the

>job...sounds real cool though

You don’t know the half of it!

I believe it’s been mentioned on this site before that hyper-masculine, super-macho, oh-so-straight-acting Marines tend to be big ole bottoms. I did not know this. My first experience with a marine was in Hawaii with Zak - a 20-year old stud muffin from Colorado. He was in Marine recon, he was quite the guy for thrills. He jumped out of planes, dived, repelled down mountains, etc. He was a gorgeous, walking-talking Marine recruitment poster. Not an ounce of fat on him … well there we were in bed…I was on my back sucking his dick … he was sucking my dick (69 is so much fun) … he had such a cute bubble butt… he then moved and started putting a condom on me…I was a little surprised and not sure why he was doing that …I know some guys, for safety reasons prefer sucking with a condom, but he had been sucking me for a while… I thought perhaps I might have a cut on my dick … he then straddled my dick and started to lower himself up and down … boy was I surprised! There he was riding my dick up and down … we both came about the same time … he then removed the condom and gave my still hard dick a sweet little kiss.

I talked about this with a friend who is a Filipino drag queen. He said that was quite common …he called Marines “helium legs”, because whenever he got a Marine back to his room they would lay down on the bed, raise up their legs, and wait to be fucked!

Don’t know what I like better: sexy young Marine bottoms, or aggressive Latino tops. Actually I’ll take one of each! Love to be the meat in a Papi/Marine sandwich.:9

- Fisher

RE: Thanks Fisher

"Don’t know what I like better: sexy young Marine bottoms, or aggressive Latino tops. Actually I’ll take one of each! Love to be the meat in a Papi/Marine sandwich "

Inapppropriate forum! I'm gonna tell the moderator! But not if you tell more about those marines!