Doug69 Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 According to news reports, John Ashcroft is still in critical condition and is scheduled to undergo surgery today to have his gall bladder removed - surgery which has some relatively small risk of fatality. For all of you Ashcroft-haters, please be honest. If you had the power to determine the outcome of the surgery, and there were only 2 possible outcomes which you could choose: (1) the surgery is successfully performed and Ashcroft is back working in his Attorney General office within 2 weeks; or (2) Ashcroft dies on the operating table and a marginally more moderate AG is appointed to replace him . . . which outcome would you choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastbayguy Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 >According to news reports, John Ashcroft is still in critical >condition and is scheduled to undergo surgery today to have >his gall bladder removed - surgery which has some relatively >small risk of fatality. > >For all of you Ashcroft-haters, please be honest. If you had >the power to determine the outcome of the surgery, and there >were only 2 possible outcomes which you could choose: > >(1) the surgery is successfully performed and Ashcroft is back >working in his Attorney General office within 2 weeks; or > >(2) Ashcroft dies on the operating table and a marginally more >moderate AG is appointed to replace him . . . > >which outcome would you choose? I wouldn't wish death on very many people. I disagree with much of what Ashcroft has done, and believe he is out of step with the times. How about if his health is sufficiently impaired that he is just no longer able to carry out the A/G responsibilities? Frankly, I think Ashcroft is a huge negative for Bush in the campaign. Replacing Ashcroft probably helps Bush. No clue who might be waiting in the wings to be A/G. I was shocked Bush picked Ashcroft in the first place. Lots of US Attorneys out there are Bush/Ashcroft appointees who would be better by virtue of having practiced law for a long time. --EBG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug69 Posted March 9, 2004 Author Share Posted March 9, 2004 >I wouldn't wish death on very many people. But you didn't say if Ashcroft is one of the people on whom you would wish death, which was the question. >How about if his health is sufficiently >impaired that he is just no longer able to carry out the A/G >responsibilities? Nope, sorry - that's not one of the options. There are only 2 - he recovers quickly and goes back to work in 2 weeks as though the whole thing never happened, or he dies on the OR table. Which one would you choose? >No clue who might be waiting in the wings to be A/G. I was >shocked Bush picked Ashcroft in the first place. Lots of US >Attorneys out there are Bush/Ashcroft appointees who would be >better by virtue of having practiced law for a long time. Ashcroft was the first gift given by Bush to the religious right. Despite his extremism and arguably fascist tendencies, he also happens to be quite intelligent, has always been rather successful in his prior legal positions (particularly as Missouri's AG), and is given credit for genuine integrity even by his political opponents. Just because he's a fascist and a religious extremist doesn't mean he's dumb and corrupt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastbayguy Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 >But you didn't say if Ashcroft is one of the people on whom >you would wish death, which was the question. Then no, I don't wish death on the man. I do disagree with him on an awful lot of points. But, even if I had the power to cause his demise, I can't really say I'd do so. There are enough negatives about me already without my running around killing people. >Ashcroft was the first gift given by Bush to the religious >right. Despite his extremism and arguably fascist tendencies, >he also happens to be quite intelligent, has always been >rather successful in his prior legal positions (particularly >as Missouri's AG), and is given credit for genuine integrity >even by his political opponents. Just because he's a fascist >and a religious extremist doesn't mean he's dumb and corrupt. My biggest problems with Ashcroft relate to the polemic and extreme nature of things. Having always seen the world in shades of grey, I think very few things are purely black or purely white. I honestly don't know a lot about the man. But, the reaction of one of my cousins, who is a lawyer, knows Ashcroft personally, is from the midwest and is pretty conservative, surprised me greatly. My cousin said he couldn't imagine anyone worse as A/G. This cousin depicted Ashcroft as inflexible, extreme and with a tendency toward being a bully. I've never said he was dumb. Never seen any indications of corruption on his part. One of cabinet level Bush appointees who seems to live by "avoid wrongdoing and the appearance of wrongdoing." Definitely more than can be said for certain others. Again, my biggest problem with Ashcroft is that he's to far to the right and does not appropriately represent all of the nation's interests as A/G. --EBG P. S. I need to drop you an e-mail. I owe you an apology for a post I wrote before leaving on my road trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HooBoy Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 I too do not wish death on anyone other myself. I just hope if he survives he won't sing that horrible eagle soars song anymore, or any song for that matter. Let God (or Allah or Karma or Satan or Blake Edwards) give Julie Andrews back her voice instead. And what does this have to do with the price of tea in China or this thread? A drop of golden sun! :+ __ The above written as a regular guy, not the owner of a website and has no official meaning, just unofficial BS.) __ --garbo the hoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamSmith Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 > Just because he's a fascist >and a religious extremist doesn't mean he's dumb and corrupt. More or less the Nuremburg judgment on Albert Speer. But would you want him running your justice system? The answer is 2. And Nader-shaped targets for Hinckley to practice on. "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not any simpler. If we knew what we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?" Einstein "The Universe is not only queerer than we imagine; it is queerer than we can imagine." J.B.S. Haldane "If the idea is not at first absurd, then there is no hope for it." Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ glutes Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 I hope they give Asscroft a lombotomy, he's alive. ~~ 'God gave man a brain and a penis and only enough blood to run one at a time' Robin Williams~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candyman Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 Isn't it amazing that when my partner had their gall bladder removed that Blue Cross only paid for 23 hours in the the hospital. If the thugs in Washington gave the American people the same benifits that they give themselves we wouldn't have to worry. Pesonaly I think that he went in for a sex change. He is still looking for J Edgar's blue dress :+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesK840 Posted March 10, 2004 Share Posted March 10, 2004 >I hope they give Asscroft a lombotomy, he's alive. How would you be able to tell? At least he's realized there may be higher priorities then boobies and head shops lately (just in time for the next election)... Always remember, this is the shmuck that lost a statewide election TO A DEAD GUY. The PEOPLE OF HIS STATE would rather have a festering corpse then him, come to think of it, so would we, we just will not actively wish it (and admit it anyway...). }( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HooBoy Posted March 11, 2004 Share Posted March 11, 2004 Not sure, but I think Totally Oz has that blue dress -- But then Janet Reno has Totally Oz's Eddie Bauer or Wal-Mart golf shirts. <Oz knows I'm kidding and for the others who don't...Fa -a long-long way to go for you kiddo> __ The above written as a regular guy, not the owner of a website and has no official meaning, just unofficial BS.) __ --garbo the hoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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